30-30 cheap and fun load

[quicksylver]

Some designs sure do make you notice how you're sizing off-center, or that your mould isn't casting round bullets. This happens with the other designs, too, it's just that we don't notice it. It's been written about since the first Lyman handbook, that minimal sizing, no more than one or two thousandths, is important to maintaining accuracy. When I have to go more than that I use a push-through die. Sometimes I use a push-through die anyway.

A-A-A-H...now I understand the discussion.....I made an assumption..that being that "everyone "used push-through dies...and only used H&I for lubing...

I have to concur with Josh ..that something is "OFF" with the way the bullets in the picture look...

I have the same mold but GC'ed ...the tapered band is specked out at .311....I use a 92/4/4 alloy and therefore the bullet cast larger than it will with COWW..
when I push it through my .310 lee Die the bottom edge of the tapered band is just nicked... creating a very uniform "band" around the bullet....

I guess I don't understand why so much of Waco's bullet is getting sized by that .310 die...especially since he is using COWW alloy....

One more thing ..with the push through dies I can size my Noe 314466 down in two steps from .315 to .310..PRIOR to lubing...and get results like this..
penciled notes incorrect..

 

[Brad]

I use a push thru for everything, including lubing. Use a Star and you won't ever look back. That said I find that even a Lee push thru type sizer can size off center. I think some bullets require a different lead in angle to get the straight into the die bore. Now does that sound like shooting or what? Hmmmm

H&I are just consecutive letters in the alphabet, they have no use to me in sizing or lubing.

 

[quicksylver]

I use a push thru for everything, including lubing. Use a Star and you won't ever look back. That said I find that even a Lee push thru type sizer can size off center. I think some bullets require a different lead in angle to get the straight into the die bore. Now does that sound like shooting or what? Hmmmm

H&I are just consecutive letters in the alphabet, they have no use to me in sizing or lubing.

Now see ...I knew they were letters in the alphabet..hadn't considered they were conconsecutive,,,which comes first.?

 

[KHornet]

More and more I have gone to push thru's in the past few years. On multi groove blts, have been having excellent results with BLL. There may even be merit in going back to cake cutting on blts that drop from the mold at the dia you want. Rifle only. Cake cutting a quantity of pistol blts would be a pain in the tush I think.

 

[Ian]

hat said I find that even a Lee push thru type sizer can size off center. I think some bullets require a different lead in angle to get the straight into the die bore.

SO true. Ideally, a push-through sizer would have a very long, two-diameter punch and have a parallel lead-in the same size as the as-cast bullet and a bit longer than the driving portion. Then the bullet would slide in straight and the punch could get started straight in the bottom of the die. The end of the punch would be turned just smaller than the final size restriction and the main shank would be just smaller than the as-cast bullet dimension.

Just like a rifle's leade, a significant taper mis-match won't promote a straight start of the bullet into the die. Sometimes I think the only way to get close to perfect would be to cast and undersized bullet, anneal it, swage it and gas check together to exact shape and size using c-clips to keep the lube groove open, then oven heat-treat and quench to desired hardness.

 

[KHornet]

Ian, that would for sure be a time consuming process. Think I would pass on it being a less than patient individual.

 

[Ian]

Cake cutting a quantity of pistol blts would be a pain in the tush I think.

I agree. That's why it's called "pain lubing".

 

[Brad]

Is it any worse than finger lubing?

If Khornet needs a cake cutter I can probably whip one up for him.

 

[quicksylver]

So we got that perfect bullet...AND THEN...we chamber it ...OUCH!...then we pull the trigger...the perfect bullet gets squeezed down and a whole bunch of other things happen to that perfect bullet....

I like my simple world.....

 

[Ian]

Yep. Ever shoot cast in an M1A? "Ouch" isn't a strong enough word for what happens when that bolt hammers one out of the magazine and into the big hole in the back of the barrel.

 

[fiver]

Ideally we would push a slightly undersized [pan/dip lubed] bullet into a throat reamer cut die, with the gas check in place.
then everything would be squared into place under pressure.

that's something I tried talking to Tim about when the XCB project got going.

 

[Brad]

Idea came from the wrong person......

 

[fiver]

I guess so.
he wanted a package to sell and I was trying to put one together for him.
everything from the lead pot to the target. [shrug]

communication got cut off and we know how it went after that.

 

[Ian]

Yeah, had that same switch get flipped on me, too, about the same time. Not my loss though, I already knew how to do that stuff.

Hey Walter, have you perforated any cans with those 30 Hunter bullets yet?

 

[fiver]

man..... how'd we get from minute of rock fun 30-30 loads to bump swaging for accuracy?
shaking my head..

 

[Josh]

man..... how'd we get from minute of rock fun 30-30 loads to bump swaging for accuracy?
shaking my head..

I love this forum...

 

[Ian]

I bet Walter has been shaking his head since about the third reply

What's crazy is probably better than half the stuff we go on about we actually end up doing, sometimes right on the spot.

 

[fiver]

yeah,, I spent about 3 hrs the other day measuring some core molds, core, swage dies, and point form dies [and a few other things] working out if one of them was gonna work for a paper patch core.
just because of a comment made here.

 

[waco]

The loads ring steel and slash soda cans like a dream! I'll see how fast they are going tomorrow.

 

[waco]

1125fps for an average of five shots from 12 feet from the Chrony. I almost killed a few clays offhand at 100, but not quite.
Think I'll try 9gr next. Oh, and Ben's 7.2gr of BE.