9mm Parabellum

[Winelover]

Yes Winelover, you have fired a 45 ACP.

Yep, and it didn't make me change my mind. Fired 40 S&W and 9 mm in the same size (rental) compact Glocks, at an indoor range. There wasn't enough recoil difference that I could tell, one way or the other. Consequently, I wasn't impressed with the forty to make me want to tool up for one. Turned out to be a wise decision. LGS store says there isn't any demand for the S&W 40 caliber, anymore.

 

[dale2242]

What`s wrong with you guys.
Don`t you know this is the age of the semi-auto.
Revolvers are not the in thing theses days.
Every hand gunner should have at least one each of 9MM, 40 S&W and 45 ACP.

 

[Rick]

What`s wrong with you guys.
Don`t you know this is the age of the semi-auto.
Revolvers are not the in thing theses days.
Every hand gunner should have at least one each of 9MM, 40 S&W and 45 ACP.

 

[fiver]

i bought a 40 sumthin or other once,, round 98 or so.
i might have even loaded the magazine before throwing it under the front seat of the wife's Buick.

 

[Rushcreek]

A 180 gr .40 at 900 fps isn’t much shorter or weaker than a 115 gr .35 at 1100 fps….is it?
My preferred auto pistol cartridges are;
#1-45auto
#2-.40S&W
#3-9mm
#4- .22 LR
That’s just me, though.

 

[Mitty38]

.357,38,45colt,44-40,454.
Oh....never mind those are the irrelevant calibers.

 

[BBerguson]

I just bought a new Beretta APX in 9mm for a carry gun. It’s recoil spring is really strong making it difficult to rack the slide but it keeps the sights on target better and the brass drops at your feet. I really like that! I got this after practicing with my stock Glock 17 and realizing I really can’t shoot it well at all. PSA had the Beretta on sale for $349 and Beretta had a $100 rebate on it. So, with tax, shipping and transfer fees, I’m out $320, not bad at all…

 

[Mitty38]

i bought a 40 sumthin or other once,, round 98 or so.
i might have even loaded the magazine before throwing it under the front seat of the wife's Buick.

I just bought a 10 and shoot .40 in it. I really have this thing for multi caliber functionality.
223,556......22s,22lr.....38,357....40,10...45colt,454,460.

 

[RBHarter]

If I were a Ruger collector I would have a BH in 38/9mm ,40, 45 cal convertibles in round numbers cylinders for the .950 ,1.10 and 1.285 cartridges .

I'd like to have a pair or maybe trio of 1911s but I'd take HP/P35 in 40 to go with the 9mm and a 1911 for the 45 with long slides ie 4"+ of barrels preferably 5" .

Unfortunately I m not in that kind of money at this point .

I'm that guy that buys the mag so he can run the hot specials . So having a1917 set up for 45 S&W using Rowland data with a 1.5 OAL isn't a big deal ......

 

[BBerguson]

I just bought a 10 and shoot .40 in it. I really have this thing for multi caliber functionality.
223,556......22s,22lr.....38,357....40,10...45colt,454,460.

I did that too, after many said you can’t…. I bought 1000 frangible 40 cal bullets and loaded them in 40S&W. Thought, “what the heck, let’s see how they shoot in my 10mm. “. They functioned flawlessly.

I haven’t shot a 9mm in my 350 legend…. I’m pretty sure it could be done in pinch but would leave an awful mess of lead or copper in the chamber!

 

[300BLK]

In that I've literally picked up buckets of 9x19 brass at my local range, it seemed silly to NOT have a 9x19 or two....and 6 cavity Lee moulds rain bullets, powder coat and push through a .357" die.

Have you watched the Phil Shoemaker interview where he talks about killing a Brown bear on the Alaskan Peninsula with a 9x19?

I shot a stainless Colt 45 in USPSA Limited Class until the round count on stages put the singlestacks at a disadvantage. I moved to a Tanfoglio .40 that increased mag capacity by 50%. Cast 175s at 1000fps+ made Major, and I never looked back at the 45 ACP.

 

[Jeff H]

In that I've literally picked up buckets of 9x19 brass at my local range, it seemed silly to NOT have a 9x19......

Given the times, and my personal circumstances/ideals/superstitions, what have you, I definitely agree with that. I just have not acted upon it.

I'll not but another auto-pistol unless things REALLY change, or I can trade a shovel or a hoe for it. My preference would be a Ruger P85, but I surely wouldn't mind having a carbine barrel for it. Otherwise, I've got what I need, whether it's "better" than the "nine" or not.

EDIT: BTW, Mr. Shoemaker has an article somewhere out there describing the extinguishing of a big bear with a 357 M60 when something went sideways with a client. If I remember correctly, his daughter carries that as HER backup gun while guiding/hunting bears.

Would I do that? No. I don't know nearly as mach about bears as that guy, so I'd probably opt for a large-caliber level or 12 gauge pump/auto full of slugs and hope like hell my guide had my back.

 

[BBerguson]

Given the times, and my personal circumstances/ideals/superstitions, what have you, I definitely agree with that. I just have not acted upon it.

I'll not but another auto-pistol unless things REALLY change, or I can trade a shovel or a hoe for it. My preference would be a Ruger P85, but I surely wouldn't mind having a carbine barrel for it. Otherwise, I've got what I need, whether it's "better" than the "nine" or not.

EDIT: BTW, Mr. Shoemaker has an article somewhere out there describing the extinguishing of a big bear with a 357 M60 when something went sideways with a client. If I remember correctly, his daughter carries that as HER backup gun while guiding/hunting bears.

Would I do that? No. I don't know nearly as mach about bears as that guy, so I'd probably opt for a large-caliber level or 12 gauge pump/auto full of slugs and hope like hell my guide had my back.

I had a P85 and a P89, sold them both and wish I wouldn’t have. They would shoot everything I fed them and shoot it very well. Looks meant more to me at the time and they were (still are) uglier than 10 days of sin. But man did they shoot well. Comfortable, controllable, and “battle” accurate. What the heck was I thinking…. I would buy a P85 quickly if I can across one on a used rack.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

Elegant is a word that is never used to describe a P-85 but those Ruger pistols had a lot going for them. Ruger got the firing pin issue sorted out quickly (there were some early failures, but the fix was simple and complete) and from that point forward, the P-85 was rock solid but never pretty. Had Ruger got that pistol to market a little sooner, they would have had a stronger foothold in that market.

The longevity of the 9mm Luger cartridge has led to many excellent pistols chambered for that cartridge. Obviously, the Browning Hi-Power has its strengths. The Glock G17 was the father of all the Glock 9mm offerings, and we are now in the 5th Generation of production that started in the early 1980’s. You would be hard pressed to get a SIG 225 (P6) to stop functioning. The CZ-75 is an excellent blend of old-school, all steel, construction mixed with a very good DA/SA action, and superb accuracy and durability. A Beretta 92 will feed and fire just about any cartridge that sort of looks like a 9mm Luger cartridge.

And as others have pointed out, the proliferation of the cartridge is a huge plus. The quote, “Quantity has a Quality of its own”, has often been attributed to Joseph Stalin but the statement clearly pre-dates his miserable existence on earth. I’m no fan of Stalin or his Marxist ilk, but there is a lot of reality in that statement.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

And here's a throwback to the P-85:

The Ruger P-85

The Wonder-Nine Era, one of my favorite times in the world of firearms. Sherman, set the Wayback Machine to 1987. But Mr. Peabody, if we want to see the introduction of the Ruger P-85 shouldn’t we go to 1985? No Sherman, we must go to 1987. If you were in the pistol scene in the mid 1980’s...

www.artfulbullet.com

 

[CZ93X62]

I have a Ruger P-89X in the safe, a 9mm fat-grip with a swap barrel and recoil spring in 30 Luger. It gets shot a lot more in 30 Luger than in 9mm, and it uses the 9mm recoil spring when I run Lyman #311419 (a 92 grain flatnose GC design) to 1400 FPS. #311419 stays accurate to 1700 FPS in the CZ-52 as well.

Hornady once sold a couple bullets meant for the 30 Luger--93 grain J-words in FMJ and RNSP forms. Dunno about their status these days.

ETA--Hornady's online site shows a .309" 90 grain XTP and .312" 85 and 100 grain J-words as well. As an aside, they still show their 60 grain soft-point flat-nose for the 25/20 WCF too.

I swerved things away from the 9mm just a bit......sorry about that.

 

[RicinYakima]

As an aside, they still show their 60 grain soft-point flat-nose for the 25/20 WCF too.

I called them a couple months ago. Last run was in 2012 and they have no plans to make anymore soon.

 

[CZ93X62]

I called them a couple months ago. Last run was in 2012 and they have no plans to make anymore soon.

That's unfortunate. Those of us that infest this site have the means to feed our war toys and rat engagers without much fuss and bother as long as the primers hold out.

 

[fiver]

those 60gr flat points are just the ticket for turkey and yote sized stuff within 100yds.

 

[RicinYakima]

I have a most excellent 2100 f/s sub-minute load worked up 20 years ago. I thought a 100 bullets would last a while. It did, ten years but now I can't get anymore.