Couple of Good Days!

[KHornet]

Managed to scope a pound of American Select yesterday. Ben and Jim have been talking it up now for some time, and none was to be had in this area. Walked into the gun store yesterday and they had some. It is close to tight group data wise, so will be loading some this next week. Got to the range this a.m. Went to pistol pit first thing, and it was already 80 and climbing. Shot rds of 9mm, 50 w 125 tri cone, 50 w/125 Rn. over 4.8Red Dot in the Walther P1. Had one stove pipe with the RN. Very accurate 25 yd range. Pretty much minute of pop can. Then did 10 rd. test of Unique in K1 with 195 K1 Bullet, starting at 10.5 gr, and working up. The 11 gr of Unique showed promise, and will use that as a starting accuracy load tor this powder.
Left range at 11, temp 91, little wind, lot of sweat. Oh, almost forgot, got about 20 lbs of range scrap. Not a bad day (so far).


Paul

 

[Ben]

Paul,

I'd say you had a pretty good day.
Some American Select and 20 lbs. of range lead makes for a real good day.

Ben

 

[9.3X62AL]

Send out 3# of metal, come home with 20#. I like those numbers a lot.

 

[Ben]

Yep, that's my kind of math.

Ben

 

[Brad]

If he has 20 pounds then he had a great day. I woulda had 50 pounds by then.....

I need to get my butt to the range soon. Work and life have gotten in the way.

 

[KHornet]

The berms were still quite damp from rain, and it was messy picking. It was also
hot, and under direct sun. Shot about 100 rds of rifle and same for pistol. The
return on lead for this year has been on about a 4 to 1 ratio. 4 pounds for me
for every pound I shoot (maybe a little more. As long as I have50 or more pounds
of ingots ready to cast at all times I am satisfied. Want however, 3-400 pounds
waiting in the wings to become ingots. I also shoot a lotof small cal bullets.
You can get a lot of projectiles that weigh less than 60 gr out of a pound.

 

[Brad]

I came home with 48 pounds today. Berms were not bad for picking but will be better after a weekend of dry weather and lots of shooting.

 

[freebullet]

Mmmmm, still haven't found time to collect any rs. My last range trip was so short I barely had time to shoot. Doing better than me!

 

[JWFilips]

Paul,
I like to equate American Select as halfway between Red Dot and Unique. Interesting thing is without any load data available you can always start at 8 grs A/S in pretty much any rifle caliber load. Most likely it will shoot well and safe. I have shot it in 234, 30-30, 8 mm, 35 Rem and 358 win with that starting load. Pretty universal like the 16 grs 2400 load

 

[fiver]

am select is in that green-dot [ish] area.
it's going in some of my 45 acp cases under some 200 swc's the next run I make [probably with small pistol primers]

 

[JWFilips]

fiver,
yes, I'm always looking at the GD numbers for loads if provided. Very clean burning and bulky enough to not worry about fillers!
Jim

 

[fiver]

the one good thing about this last powder shortage is it hit just as I was really starting to get interested in the powder itself as a component.
and it's real influence on a load and what in the load influences the powder.
that forced me to really look hard at alternate powders and how they compared to the old standby's.
it also got me to look at the old standby's a little closer and see how they actually worked.
unique is one that surprised me in how it actually worked, but it did shed a lot of light on how it got it's nickname,
and explains a whole lot about it's usefulness and why it is so docile in nature.

 

[quicksylver]

I like Universal...

 

[quicksylver]

fiver,
yes, I'm always looking at the GD numbers for loads if provided. Very clean burning and bulky enough to not worry about fillers!
Jim

Jim that's not the Green Dot that I know 5 reloads in a 20 gauge ans it looks like it has been reloaded for 5 years ditto with handguns

 

[quicksylver]

Jim is AS half way in burn rate between the two or half way between the two on the chart..?

 

[Ian]

Unique will burn well past the muzzle in a surprising number of guns....including some rifles. It will tolerate extremely high chamber pressure without any pressure excursion drama, and can be loaded down to squib level with reasonable consistency. Universal has about the same burn rate......at first.....but once the deterrent is burned off it poofs and is gone while Unique is still gradually tapering off many inches down the barrel. This is why Universal is so "clean" vs. Unique, but Unique is a LOT better for reduced loads in rifles.

 

[quicksylver]

[QUOTE="Ian, post: 28959, member: Unique is a LOT better for reduced loads in rifles.[/QUOTE]

Hum-m-m...really?

For more years than I care to admit I tried to get Unique to perform the way I thought it should in about a dozen rifles...mostly '06,.308, 30-30 ,.303 and 300 Savage....
It wasn't until I tried Universal that I got what I wanted...bug holes... with no care in the world..temperature, position or primer wise.....

I did go out and buy another pound to see if perhaps I was doing something wrong...gave it an honest try...same results as the previous years...there again I could still be doing something wrong..

About 5 weeks ago I started to do a side by side comparison..acuracy wise and with data from the chrony. ...guess it's time to follow through...

If anyone has a load they would like me to try ..I will give it a shot...the only cal I don't have is .40

I have an open ear to any loading or shooting technique you may suggest...

Dan

I will post pictures of some Universal groups.

 

[JWFilips]

Jim is AS half way in burn rate between the two or half way between the two on the chart

Dan,
Best I can figure Half way between the burn rate on the "Chart"

All I know is if I start a light load (most calibers) at 8 Grs; I get accuracy...then I just have to fine tune. Most of these loads are with plain base projectiles
All are light. I have got some leading with some Red Dot loads but Am/Sel Alleviated that. I'm sure Unique would do the same. I'm using American Select for most of my Unique loads because it is easier to find!
Jim

 

[quicksylver]

Thanks Jim...the reason I asked was because some of those powders on the chart are very simular to each other and don't necessarily increase in burn rate on a linear scale..

 

[RBHarter]

I can honestly say that I've put Unique in every rifle case (family) from 222-WM except the WSM and WSSM . I get everything I need in a 45 Colts (rivaling H110) , 38,357, 45 ACP ,40 and 9mm. Probably nearly a keg through 12 ga.

As for side by side.
30 WCF
32 Winchester Special
7x57
222/223
06'
6.8 Remington
257 Roberts
264 WM (this one is depressing I saw I believe 26 gr same as a 12 ga heavy game load)

Geeze that makes me wonder what else I've run through the RD/Unique/4350 mill.

Forgot the slopped out 7.62 that's more like 8x39.