Ever wonder if....

[Paden]

I would prefer having bullet still in the throat. Tying up the gun prevents, or at least makes it harder to, fire another round with an obstruction.

Most people don't realize the power of a primer.

Agree completely.

 

[9.3X62AL]

This discussion brings to mind a copied article I read during Rangemaster School in 1983. I can't recall the source of the text, but do recall the gist of the content. A S&W Model 14 revolver--part of a U.S, Navy ship's on-board small arms allotment--apparently got a bad round's bullet stuffed deeply enough into the barrel to allow subsequent fired rounds to "stack up" in the barrel. In an aggravated case of Being Oblivious, the shooter only became aware of "a problem" after bullets began dropping on the ground in front of this shooter--from the revolver's muzzle! The article showed an X-ray of the stuffed barrel with the conga-line of bullets extending from the barrel's forcing cone to its muzzle. Armorer intervention enabled removal of the bullets, and the article text stated that the revolver was "undamaged". Maybe so, but I'm equally certain that the interlude dd the mechanism no intrinsic benefit, either.

 

[fiver]

the revolver might have been fine but I bet the barrel wasn't none too symmetrical.
stacking boolits down a barrel tends to compress the front ones more and more, that's gotta be doing something to the steel.

 

[James W. Miner]

They sure will and is the reason I use standard primers in a .44 with 296. I use strong case tension and a normal roll crimp but a mag primer can move a boolit before good ignition takes place. Groups shot with mag primers are always 3X larger. The .45 Colt is iffy and I still use a 150 Fed and a WLP is the strongest I would use. Once to the .475 and up, I use a 155 Fed.

 

[KHornet]

I have never had it happen, but there is always a first time (I hope not). I have always crimped revolver ctgs fairly heavy, I guess because I was taught to do that back in the dark ages. I have had no powder charge ctgs hang ups, and to the best of my recollection never had a bullet jump. I seldom use mag primers, and only load 357 and 44mag cases but rarely, and then I use mag primers.

 

[9.3X62AL]

I have routinely used magnum primers with WW-296 and H-110 because most loading manuals have recommended the practice, and I am pretty certain that Speer/Hornady/Sierra/Winchester/Hodgdon know just a bit more about their products than I do. So far, so good. My accuracy in the MagRevs with these fuels has ranged from acceptable to exemplary. Both powders have been unobtainium for some time in the PRC, and a supply of Alliant 2400 has kept the MagRevs chirping happily and does good work in cast bullet rifle loads as well. After much use of 2400 with castings, I am inclined to believe that 296/110 is probably at its best in jacketed-bullet applications while 2400 is A LOT more flexible and tractable. The only J-words getting much use here any more is 125 grain JHPs for the 357 Magnum, I duplicate the Federal 357B factory load for felon repellent practice sessions. 17.5 grains of 2400 does a fine cover of Fed 357B music, sparked by CCI 500 primers in W-W cases.

 

[James W. Miner]

I have never had it happen, but there is always a first time (I hope not). I have always crimped revolver ctgs fairly heavy, I guess because I was taught to do that back in the dark ages. I have had no powder charge ctgs hang ups, and to the best of my recollection never had a bullet jump. I seldom use mag primers, and only load 357 and 44mag cases but rarely, and then I use mag primers.

How do you know you never had pull before ignition. Are you talking recoil? I am talking the round being shot. NOT the rest in the cylinder. All books say to use a mag primer with any powder, who set that in stone? Case size determines the primer and the .44 is not that large.
Much said about how accurate but how about 1-5/16" at 200 yards. Then a 265 RD at 50 and 100 Hit the rail with the last so I aimed higher for the last shot. I can call 3/4" at 50 and 1-1/4" at 100. Darn right, fed 150 and 296. 21 gr with the 330 gr and 22 with the 265.
Using the right primer does this at 50 yards.
I don't understand why you refuse to try things and depend on "The Book?"

 

[James W. Miner]

Once I finished with a win at an IHMSA shoot and had time to shoot my cardboard chicken at 200 meters to get sight settings for shoot off targets. Those that don't know you had to shoot all 40 and only won by the shoot off targets at 200.. I had 2 shots left in my .44 SBH. I did this with open sights from Creedmore.
Other shots from a 7R but 3/4" with the .44???. Come back.
I cheated with the 200 meter group. I used the Hornady 240 SIL with 23.5 gr of 296 and a Fed 150. The 240 XTP needs 24 gr. ALL with a Fed 150.
I am crazy and refuse to read junk and have out shot rifles at 400 yards to 500 meters with revolvers.
Can you see a chicken at 200 meters? I can't anymore but most of you brag about 25 yard groups larger then my 200 meter groups. My best was 2-1/2" at 500 yards from a BFR revolver.

 

[James W. Miner]

Picture too big?

 

[RBHarter]

H110 data says mag primers in 45 Colts. With standard primers my velocities were all over with 200 fps swings mag primers dropped that to 25 and stabilized velocities close to the book numbers . The Colts case isn't that much bigger and certainly even with +P loads doesn't need the pressure support . Some powders ,bullets and guns just prefer a hotter primer.

 

[James W. Miner]

Many tests with the .45 Colt showed WLP was best and fed 150 next. Mag was not not as accurate. WLP is a great primer, kind of in between. I never go with numbers, have been to a 1 SD with bad groups. I leave the chrono in the basement working loads.

 

[Rick]

The 357 is a much smaller case capacity than the 44m, I cut 200 meter revolver groups in half and ES & SD cut in half by switching to CCI 550.

 

[Brad]

I can hear Bass now, "It only matters when it does"

 

[9.3X62AL]

The question of "mag cap vs. std" is kind of moot for me anyway--it has been a very long time since I have seen H-110 or WW-296 on sale locally. My usage patterns had to "evolve", thanks primarily to market responses to political idiocies--i.e., component evaporation. 2400 works in 410 shotshells--cast bullet rifles--and a wider range of handgun applications than do 110/296. Adaptability like that favors continued usage, and unlike the ball powders 2400 has been occasionally obtainable during this most recent of several component droughts. That 2400 doesn't require magnum priming to ignite readily is just another plus in my book.

My magnum primers do miss 110/296, though. Rather sad, that.

 

[fiver]

2400 was unavailable in the best of times around here.
h-110 I can get right now, but I don't use that much of it.
ramshot's enforcer is available so I burn that in the revolvers and save the 2400 for the rifle stuff.

 

[Brad]

I saw a pound of 2400 at the Omaha Scheels today. It is still there. I didn't grab either of the 8 pounder of Red Dot either.
Looks like powder situation is getting better and better.

 

[fiver]

I think I'm good on powder.
finally.
I would still nab an 8lb'er of 2400 if I seen it, and maybe another jug of CFE-223 rifle powder.
I walk past bulls-eye and BE-86 type stuff and don't look twice.

if I started shooting Trap again, or just emptied all of my current shot shells then I'd get a bit worried about more red-dot.
of course 15+K hulls would suck up some powder.

 

[Ian]

[COUGH] Ramshot True Blue [COUGH, COUGH, Ahem!]

 

[fiver]

I'd be on top of the blue but I have enough unique.
I was trading [gave some of] it away during the worst of the shortage.
I still have 30 sum lbs of it stuck under the bench.
just before the whole shortage thing hit I got several [8] jugs of it like stupid cheap [75.00 cheap] and just happened to have money in hand.
I also bought a 5 gallon bucket of 308 [win/rem mix] 1 fire brass for like 4 bucks a hundred off the same shop.

 

[Brad]

I don't know that I have seen much Ramshot powder locally. Can't say I have looked?
I will keep an eye out in the future.