Experiences with Marlin 1895G?

RicinYakima

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Donating to a friends brother's estate, I am going to end up with a 2007 made Marlin 45/70 guide gun. Looking for do's and don'ts for loading for this thing. I have the original Ideal 457193 original bullet mould and several target bullets used in the Trapdoor. This is going to be a plinker, unless the state is successful in reintroducing grizzlies here next year.
 
waco

waco

Springfield, Oregon
No a guide Gun but here is what my 1895 likes.

45-70 range results

Marlin 1895 45-70 is my rifle. I had a nice recoil pad installed and a trigger job done recently. It also just got a Redfield 2x7 scope. The bullet is an Accurate 460-405V sized to .460" and lubed with 2500 and rolled in BLL. Alloy is ACWW. WW brass CCI large rifle primer and SR4750 and IMR3031...
www.artfulbullet.com www.artfulbullet.com
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio
Like with many revolvers, my biggest problem with the 1895 has been TIMING ISSUES, which cannot be corrected by the best gunsmith.


Every time I saw one for a decent price was a time when I didn't have the cash to take advantage of the deal.:oops:

My condolences on the loss of a friend and good on you, Sir for contributing to a cause.
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio
RicinYakima said:
I have money to cover the cost, and if it doesn't work out, I can sell it. His kids (well in their 50's with kids) and widow have need of the money. Wife is probably going into a home, as he was the care giver.
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It will definitely benefit his wife. Care is not inexpensive and any contribution will be worthy and beneficial.
 
oscarflytyer

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
I had a Marlin 1895, ~1972 iirc (sold it to fund/upgrade to the Marlin CB). I also have a Remington RB Custom in 45-70. And now a Marlin 1895 CB 45-70, Cimarron (Winchester) High Wall Sporting 45-70 and shortly a Trapdoor 45-70. Yeah - I like levers AND 45-70s!

In the first 1895 I had - with the micro-groove bbl, I started with Waters' Trapdoor load. 38.5 gr of IMR 3031 pushing the Lee 405 HBRN to ~1350 fps. I went with the Lee HB so it would fill the Marlin MG rifling. Plenty accurate enough to 100 yds and whacked deer hit in the shoulder (and a 85 yd neck shot on a yearling). And VERY easy on MY shoulder. Didn't need anything else. One of my now 45-70s doesn't care for that load (I think the CB Marlin - and can't recall if IT has the MG bbl).

I liked the Lee in the old '72 1895. The HB filled up the MG bbl. I assume that is what the '07 has. If not, and/or if its like my CB, may have to play a bit.
 
RicinYakima

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I have that Lee HB mould, slightly modified. Set two national records with it in the Trapdoor that stood up for 8 years. Maybe I will dig it out and see if it will work through the Marlin action.
 
oscarflytyer

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
I plan to load a BUNCH for the incoming Trapdoor! And need to wring it out/see where it really is in all the others at 50 and 100 yds. But for the CB I will prob go with the RD 350 w/ RL7 or 2400.
 
todd

todd

Well-Known Member
i had a Handi rifle in 45-70. well i had 3 of them, but i sold one years ago, the second i gifted to my friend's son and the thrid was taken by my oldest son and he hunts hogs with it. i guess the Gun Gods' don't want me to have a 45-70 :rofl:. i had a Lyman 457193 that killed deer dead. my alloy was COWW with a smidge of tin. i used IMR4198, IMR3031 and Varget. i was using trapdoor loads (1300-1400fps). i never got into a lever or a falling block loads. i think that IMR 3031 was accurate, then IMR4198 and then Varget. i wanted to get 330gr Gould mold, but i never had a chance.
 
Missionary

Missionary

Well-Known Member
Do not (Please) shoot it next to someone else (within 30 feet) without first announcing it is ported. I have considered a sign I will carry to a range...
"If your rifle / carbine is ported, Please tell me so I can get away first with the little hearing I have".
 
Rick H

Rick H

Well-Known Member
I have a 1895 Guide Gun, stainless non ported barrel. I load a Mountain Mold 385 gr. FP to 1800 fps and a 300gr Jkt. HP to 1880 fps. Neither is pleasant to shoot for extended periods. The 300gr. is a sure deer killer with a point blank range of 150 yds. The 385 MM is what I will use if I ever go after bear.

I have played with the 340gr. Lee FP, powder coated at around 1600 fps. It shows promise. Many typical heavy 45-70 bullets will not cycle through the Marlin action. There is too much bullet in front of the case. I have had no problems with the MM, the RD 350FP, or Lee 340gr. I have the RD 300gr FP but need to work with it more. I had iffy accuracy and need to work on seating depth as it hangs up occasionally.
 
RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
I have a 2009 Unicorn 1895G . It was assembled in Illion from the last of the Marlin parts .
It is my understanding that the MG barrels were dropped in the big boxes circa 2000 . Standard and Ballard were mixed and not really identified. The G and GG came both ported and not the ported got lots of press but only saw a short/small production.

The Marlin is stuck with the 2.55 OAL , period , longer won't fit in the action.
I've run a 458-201 Rapine 255 gr RNFP, 458-340 , Mountain Mold 453-350 PP , 457193 , MP 462-420 HB @380 and PB@417 , 45-500 FP RCBS and single fed NOE version 458132 . The last 2 @535 gr .
Yep you can run them up and pull teeth .

Top TD loads is where things thrive for me . Having a tray full of the 45-500 as yet untested I can't say absolutely that the 458193 is THE bullet but it has proven out to be extremely flexible in alloy , powder , and load level selections from 12 gr of Unique to full snort 322 dragon slayers . Because I had 322 ,4198 , not 3031 or 4895 .

Over 520 gr you get free BC , ie shape matters less and less as the gap between pointed spitzer types and TC or SWC closes .
 
CWLONGSHOT

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I have had a few of these. I still have a 1970 1895. Just sold my G couple
Months ago. Great gun sorry ta see it go. Sold off my 1895s long ago.

All very good guns zero complaints. Al shot cast and jacketed just fine.

CW
 
Brad

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Mine is not the guide gun but it loves on a steady diet of a 420 plain base over 24 gr of 2400.
Recoil is mild enough to shoot 50 in a day with trouble.
I have gone hotter, much hotter, but reserve those loads for hunting
 
RicinYakima

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Missionary said:
Do not (Please) shoot it next to someone else (within 30 feet) without first announcing it is ported. I have considered a sign I will carry to a range...
"If your rifle / carbine is ported, Please tell me so I can get away first with the little hearing I have".
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This one isn't ported.
 
Glaciers

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Well I’ve just gotten started with my Marlin 1895 manufactured in 1976 as near as I can tell. The only reason I was curious about the date was it’s a straight stock which I find was only made from 1972 to I think 1980. But it’s a standard 22” barrel. I like a longer 14 to 14-1/2” stock on rifles so it wears a limb Saver slip on pad which besides the extra length, obviously has the added benefit of recoil reduction. I do have a Decelerator pad in the drawer that I need to install one day soon.
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I’ve had this rifle for years and haven’t wanted to break it out simply because I don’t particularly like Marlins as I’m a Winchester fan. But now that I’m working up loads I find that I like it a lot. Handles well, carries well, and I should have the sights sorted out by this weekend. My grail 45-70 is a light weight Winchester 1886 takedown or solid frame made I believe after WW1 till mid 30’s can’t remember. My only other work with a 45-70 was a 1885 Winchester High Wall (original) which I played around with years ago and foolishly sold off.
Anyway I’m playing with some castings with the idea of plinking and paper punching. I don’t hunt anymore but could be tempted. But I’ve started with light weight bullets working my way up to the heavies.
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Round ball at about 150, NOE Collar Button at 186, Arsenal 235, Lyman 457-191 at 304, RCBS 405 and 500.
The two pointy ones are Arsenal 45 370, and LEE 45 500, both for my 458x2 bolt gun. The 458x2 is essentially a belted 45-70.

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I like pictures. Left is the Lyman 457-191, right is the two RCBS placed next to the crimp groove to show the intrusion into the boiler room. Personally I like the idea of the 500 run soft at maybe 1400 to 1500 fps which should put paid to about anything around.
But I’m really liking the Lyman so far it’s a good compromise. NOE has a Ranch Dog 350 grain which I believe is probably the most ideal weight for the Marlin. Just my 2 cents.
But now that I’ve seen Waco’s loadings with Tom’s bullet, that’s a serious all business bullet.
 
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