Getting Acquainted With My New .38 Super

Ricochet

Member
This is Miss Nicole, my slightly late Christmas present to myself. Since I was a youngster I've admired and hankered for a .38 Super, and always thought bright nickel 1911s were mighty pretty. Ended up getting a blue .45 40 years ago. Rock Island Armory still offers the .38 Super in nickel, but for quite some time Google couldn't find a new one available for sale anywhere, so when this one turned up I grabbed it. Put on these phony abalone grips, I like the look. Haven't bought or fired a factory cartridge. Got some .38 Super Comp brass from Starline and loaded some of my as-cast TL-356-125-TCs that I had on hand and have had very good service with in 9mm Luger. To my chagrin, they just don't work at their .358-.359" diameter. "Plunk" fitting isn't possible. Letting the slide push the cartridge into battery will seat them as long as the OAL is 1.28" or less. The shoulder of the bullet touches the leade slightly beyond that. Extracting a cartridge slam-fitted that way shows that the bullet has been shaved down to .355" by the headspacing shoulder at the end of the chamber. And the groove diameter of the bore turns out to be .3505"! The barrel is plated inside and out with what appears to be matte nickel. It could be hard chrome. It had already been made with normal bore and chamber dimensions and then plated, making for a very tight bore and chamber. I got a Lee sizing kit for .356" and also a die for their 358-125-RF bullet, which I've seen highly recommended. Those bullets sized to .356" fit nicely and will "plunk" even though they're .001" larger than I'd measured on the force-fitted .358" tumble lube bullets. They shoot well when grease lubed. I encountered a big problem right away with the tumble lubed bullets, both of the TL, TC style and the conventionally grooved ones. I've been used to coating them pretty heavily with Alox and leaving them that way. I do encounter problems with Alox buildup in seating dies but never had a problem shooting them until now. The tight, sharp shoulder at the end of the chamber scrapes the Alox off of the bullet nose and clogs it between the case mouth and chamber shoulder, preventing the slide from going into battery! The greased bullets don't have this problem, and I expect that wiping the Alox off of the bullet noses will solve it as well. I'm using a load of my lot of WC820 that's just a bit slower than Accurate #9. It is rather compressed, burns cleanly, shows no sign of high pressure, and gives a muzzle velocity right at 1300 FPS. The cases were getting flung quite far, so I thought I'd try a stouter recoil spring. I had a Wolf 18 1/2 pounder lying around. I thought it might be too stiff, but I tried it and it works well. The cases still eject with alacrity, but only about 20 feet behind and to the right. The momentum of a 125 grain bullet at 1300 FPS is 82% of that of a 230 grain at 850 FPS and just about the same as a typical .45 200 grain target load, and the heavier powder charge I'm using in the Super adds to the recoil. It definitely doesn't need a lighter spring than the standard .45 one. I'm going to have a lot of fun with Miss Nicole, I'm sure! :D

Hmmm, several attempts to link a picture haven't worked. Maybe if I just paste the URL here it will come up as a clickable link:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BDjISGHtK9S/
 
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Ian

Notorious member
My internet connection is bogging so I never did get the instagram link to load. Will try again later, I want to see this beauty!

Good to see you again! Please don't be a stranger.
 

Ricochet

Member
Hi, Ian! I wonder if the problem with my link is the "HTTPS" part. I'm going to remove the s and see if it will post as a picture link here.
BDjISGHtK9S
 

wddodge

New Member
The picture loaded just fine for me when I clicked the link. I've never seen grips quite like those before. I like them.

Denny
 

Rick

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Staff member
Ricochet, posting pictures is a little different here from other forums. Use the button "Upload a File" on bottom right of the text box. Then select your pictures file on your computer and select the picture. When it uploads to your post you will then have the option to post it full size.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
your links work just fine for me too.

I dunno if my eyeballs were spinning or those grips, but all that came to mind was 'groovy'
when seeing them:D
I always thought the 38 super was a really good round that was just overlooked by too many for some reason.
 

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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
'groovy'

Like lava lamps, Jerry Garcia, and Grace Slick groovy? Carol Doda was happening, then, too, but she was curvy.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I can see the photos fine. Nice looking pistol. And groovy is an appropriate term for the grips.

My wife said the grips look like Starry Night to her.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
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I can totally see it.
This is what happens when you marry an art history buff who loves Impressionism.
 

Ricochet

Member
HAHAHA!!! They do look like "Starry Night!" There's a fellow whose name I can't quite think of now who casts grips out of crafter's polyester resin and has a family business selling them mainly on eBay. He makes them for quite a few other kinds of pistols besides M1911s. I think the abalone was a single batch that he doesn't make regularly and they're now gone, but he offers several "Peacock" color combinations that are slightly less complex and quite eye catching. A local friend who saw these bought a pair of black and gold striped grips for his. This is how imitation pearl grips are made, too. Lots of folks make those, but this fellow is more adventurous with colors.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Link works fine, here, too.

WILD grips, nice gun.

I used to use a heavy load of W571 under a 148gr SWC in my Wilson LEComp .38 Super to make major
caliber in IPSC. ~1230 fps avg, 182 power factor back when it took a manly 180,000 to 'make Major'.
 

Ricochet

Member
I don't have any power factor numbers to meet, thank goodness. These just about equal the Super loads of the '30s to early '70s before the liability lawyers made the companies back down to something that won't disassemble a 1900 Colt. And put "+P" onto the name while backing the load down. Actually I suspect they may have been more concerned about people shooting .38 Supers in Llamas made for 9mm Largo, and some of the various other long 9mm that might chamber a .38 Super cartridge.
 
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9.3X62AL

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I suspect your belief is correct concerning the down-grading of the 38 Super's net yield, Ricochet. It is a great caliber that doesn't get the respect it deserves--the Rodney Dangerfield of CCW.

"Phony abalone......" Too funny!

The 38 Super is HIGHLY ESTEEMED by pistoleros from south of the border. "Military" calibers in handguns and rifles are strictly forbidden to Mexican citizens, and the 38 Super is one of few that can be purchased with relative ease. The number of 38 Super 1911A1-pattern pistols I have removed from the persons and vehicles of narcotraficantes number in the dozens.
 

Ricochet

Member
I recently found a post on another board from a guy in Mexico. He says that now it's not just military calibers that are blocked, and the .38 Super is forbidden. He says the biggest revolver cartridge they're allowed is the .38 Special, and the largest semiauto caliber is .380. He says you're apt to be stopped and searched on the way to and from the range and they seriously frown on possession of unauthorized guns. I bet they look the other way when the narcotraficantes drive by.

Oh, no! I've just spent a long time typing what I've recently learned of the history of the .38 Super, and somehow the whole paragraph got accidentally selected and went away with the next keystroke! I've got to go to bed, I can't even start to do it again. If you go to the website 38super.net and read everything they've got, you'll learn a lot of cool stuff!
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
I have had that happen, mostly on other sites. On those sites, if I am posting more than
a few sentences, I put it into WordPad and then cut and paste it into the site, saves some
really frustrating times.

Bill
 

Ricochet

Member
I've done that too, but alas, I didn't this time. Maybe I'll get fired up and recreate it when I have time. I don't now.