Petrol & Powder
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That's almost exactly what I did.
I told myself that I would concentrate on a few cartridges only to reverse that course later.
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Getting back in the 32 caliber game
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I told myself that I would concentrate on a few cartridges only to reverse that course later.
Intel6
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I got that number off the NOE forum in the group buy discussion about making the mould. Al got samples from a guy who had the original mould and used that number so that is what I quoted as the original?
CWLONGSHOT
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Yeah I just need to go pick through the boxes and pull it out to know I just have a gotten down there. But that's the bullet for my recollection it's about 80 grains or so and a type three wadcutter.
Do the same with some 44 Russian cases (for a long gone single shot pistol) which work in 44 Special and Magnum chambers.
CZ93X62
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Years ago I had the use of a Walther GSP-C in 32 S&W Long. OMG, that pistol was accurate! It remains the most accurate handgun I have ever fired. The guy I borrowed it from wanted me to work up loads for it using the now-out-of-print Hornady HBWC bullets. Easy enough, the lowest-listed load of WW-231 from the Hornady Manual gave right around 700 FPS and the bullets stacked atop each other.
I couldn't leave well enough alone, so I swapped in cast #313492s over that same load and primer. They shot just slightly larger groups at 25 yards. The chamber of the Walther was tight, and feeding got balky. It had a slight taper form, it turned out. The fix was to pull the decapping stem from one of my 32 S& W Long sizing dies, and run the finished cartridges in about the length of the rebated nose on the #313492. The rounds fed perfectly after that.
A few years later I find a Model 1895 Nagant revolver, and nothing would do but to make ammo for it. I scored 100 of the Starline 7.62 x 38R brass that was available for a short time, and like the GSP-C it requires bullets seated flush or deeper to function its gas seal mechanism. #313492 and its rebated nose to the rescue, along with short-sizing to 'crimp'. The loadings work, but the Nagant is an odd contraption. I have only seen one used in film, during "Enemy At The Gates"--a decent war film about the Battle of Stalingrad and Vasiliy Zaitsev. (2001) There is a scene early in the film where a Soviet officer or NCO is standing near the Volga River bank, using the revolver to shoot fleeing/deserting Soviet soldiers. War is hell on earth.
I couldn't leave well enough alone, so I swapped in cast #313492s over that same load and primer. They shot just slightly larger groups at 25 yards. The chamber of the Walther was tight, and feeding got balky. It had a slight taper form, it turned out. The fix was to pull the decapping stem from one of my 32 S& W Long sizing dies, and run the finished cartridges in about the length of the rebated nose on the #313492. The rounds fed perfectly after that.
A few years later I find a Model 1895 Nagant revolver, and nothing would do but to make ammo for it. I scored 100 of the Starline 7.62 x 38R brass that was available for a short time, and like the GSP-C it requires bullets seated flush or deeper to function its gas seal mechanism. #313492 and its rebated nose to the rescue, along with short-sizing to 'crimp'. The loadings work, but the Nagant is an odd contraption. I have only seen one used in film, during "Enemy At The Gates"--a decent war film about the Battle of Stalingrad and Vasiliy Zaitsev. (2001) There is a scene early in the film where a Soviet officer or NCO is standing near the Volga River bank, using the revolver to shoot fleeing/deserting Soviet soldiers. War is hell on earth.
oscarflytyer
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Have a S&W 1916 Regulation Police and a Colt Police Positive in 32 S&W L/32 Colt NP. Yesterday at the show, got a 1969 made S&W 32 HE Mdl 30-1, 3" Nickle J frame with Mother of Pearl grips. Doubt the grips are original Smith. But the J frame should be exceptionally sweet in the 32 L.
L Ross
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"He had a thirty two gun in his pocket for fun and a razor in his shoe."
Can't help it. Nickel with mother of pearl grips, purple fuzzy hat, long mink coat, gold Caddy and a "stable" job.
Petrol & Powder
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If I recall the lines from that Jim Croce song; ......that 32 gun and razor weren't much use to Mr. Brown.
Petrol & Powder
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The book, "Enemy at the Gates", by William Craig (published 1973) is one of the best books on that conflict. The movie has a bit of Hollywood in it but that's probably unavoidable. At least they got the basic facts right.
Another excellent book on the subject, and a larger view of the eastern front, is: "Barbarossa, The Russian-German Conflict 1941-1945", by Alan Clark.
I have found that Americans tend to have little comprehension of the scope of the eastern front conflict in WWII. It was horrific and a far longer and larger conflict than the western front. It remains the largest land battle in history.
The Russians/Soviets had a real love affair with 30 caliber. Pistols, revolvers, submachine guns, machine guns and rifles were all made to use the same diameter bullet. The cartridges were different, but the bore diameter was pretty much consistent. This makes good sense for logistics and production.
CZ93X62
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Agreed. That 7.62 x 54R cartridge is the real deal. That a cartridge cobbled up in 1891 is still soldiering on 131 years later is impressive. It is every bit the equal of USA's 30-06 or NATO's 308/7.62 x 51 ballistically. The Russians do things their own way--rimmed cartridges in self-loading systems aren't supposed to work, they rim-lock in magazines, yadda yadda. TRY to set up a rim-lock sitch in your Mosin-Nagant. A firm push on the bolt handle fixes it. Soldier on, tovarich.
Lots of time in grade with Russian calibers. The 7.62 x 25 Tokarev pistol/SMG round is NASTY. I used to fire milsurp loads into old/obsolete soft body armor on the range during officer safety training. Those bullets would zip right through both panels of a vest hanging on a target frame--I used my Tokarev pistol as the platform. Very sobering for the new kids on the block.
P&P alludes to the scope and depth of the Eastern Front battles of WWII. Few things in history have affected world affairs to the present day as has that campaign. The A-bombs used in Japan in 1945 may be the only actions that trump the Eastern Front's influence. Russia has a visceral fear of massive armies attacking from the West to conquer them--The French in the 19th Century, the Germans in the 20th Century. Now it's NATO, and given Western Europe's track record historically I cannot fault the Russians for feeling as they do. Russia is still a bully, but maybe that shouldn't be such a surprise.
Lots of time in grade with Russian calibers. The 7.62 x 25 Tokarev pistol/SMG round is NASTY. I used to fire milsurp loads into old/obsolete soft body armor on the range during officer safety training. Those bullets would zip right through both panels of a vest hanging on a target frame--I used my Tokarev pistol as the platform. Very sobering for the new kids on the block.
P&P alludes to the scope and depth of the Eastern Front battles of WWII. Few things in history have affected world affairs to the present day as has that campaign. The A-bombs used in Japan in 1945 may be the only actions that trump the Eastern Front's influence. Russia has a visceral fear of massive armies attacking from the West to conquer them--The French in the 19th Century, the Germans in the 20th Century. Now it's NATO, and given Western Europe's track record historically I cannot fault the Russians for feeling as they do. Russia is still a bully, but maybe that shouldn't be such a surprise.
Petrol & Powder
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On the 32 ACP front, I stumbled upon TWO brand new Walther PP MEC-GAR magazines, in original packaging today at a gun shop. They were priced well below the going insanity and would even be very competitive in the pre-panic days. I snatched them up and rifled through the display looking for any more that may be hiding. I gladly paid the asking price. (If you've checked out the price and availability of Walther PP & PPK/S 32 ACP mags recently, you'll understand my excitement).
They required the slightest bit of work with a file and stone to clean up a very minor manufacturing flaw. Even with that minor tweak, I'm still happy I found them.
They required the slightest bit of work with a file and stone to clean up a very minor manufacturing flaw. Even with that minor tweak, I'm still happy I found them.
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Petrol & Powder
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The Tokarev cartridge is no joke.
Of course, when Napoleon and Hitler invaded, Russia was DEFENDING their homeland.
Russia is the aggressor in the current affairs.
Forgot to mention in my review of the gunshow Saturday last. I counted >50 various 32s. Autos (32 acp) from Jiminez (?)/Walther/Hungarian Walther copies, but also some early Colts with no finish and half-decent prices. Revolvers (32 S&W up to 32 H&R) from S&W/Colt/H&R; 32-20s from Colt/S&W/Cimarron, and weird stuff like a Martini in 32 S&W wadcutter. I even saw a few Nagants. None of it selling, but it was there!
I was thinking maybe I'd peddle or trade off my 32-20, but had second thoughts due to competition. I think ammo availability was a factor--there was none to speak of. I had more 32-20 ammo with me than the entire show had for all varieties of 32.
I was thinking maybe I'd peddle or trade off my 32-20, but had second thoughts due to competition. I think ammo availability was a factor--there was none to speak of. I had more 32-20 ammo with me than the entire show had for all varieties of 32.
Petrol & Powder
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Yep, the...I guess......Phoenix rising from the ashes of Jennings and Bryco?
CZ93X62
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And don't forget Raven Arms. Yugos of the firearms world, all of those pot metal contraptions. The stories about that "Ring Of Fire" bunch would curl your hair.
Is like Famous Russian Inventor, Comrad Reguspatoff. Sometimes written: Reg U.S. Pat. Off.