I think I may give up

[CWLONGSHOT]

The barrel for the Ruger American only comes in at the 1-15tw. He does have the faster twist for the AR barrels but not for the Ruger.

Ahh. I did look at tbe AR Barrels.


300BLK,
Well now!!! Thank you for the link!!! Now I have to decide!!
I have dies cut off jig and 100pcs of HAM'r Brass invested.

I'm well vested in 300 BLK.

I am gonna assume the 300 BLK with a 20" is gonna be smack in between "reg" 300 and HAM'r for velocity. Maybe a bit better.

Ill sleep on it a while. Id still like ta chat with 300 BLK..

CW

 

[richhodg66]

I sure hope Kansas doesn't get any stupid ideas like straight walled restrictions or shotgun only. The eastern third of the state is quite poulated, western two thirds pretty sparse. It would be real easy for them to draw the US 81/I-35/135 as the demarcation line like Micigan is split north and south.

 

[popper]

Per WC data, my 145gr carbine BO gets 100 fps less than his 150 gr load data for 16" barrel. I can't load the 110g vmax as hot. Basically as I see it, Hamr is biased toward the lighter bullets - as the SAAMI chamber shows. Nothing against the Hamr, BO is just more versatile.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

Per WC data, my 145gr carbine BO gets 100 fps less than his 150 gr load data for 16" barrel. I can't load the 110g vmax as hot. Basically as I see it, Hamr is biased toward the lighter bullets - as the SAAMI chamber shows. Nothing against the Hamr, BO is just more versatile.

Only if you have a need for those heavier projectiles...

Calling the ability to do something you have no intention of using and advantage... seems somehow over stated.

Its designed as a hunting cartritage for hogs. Designed for a light AR based firearm. Designed around the Speer 130sp bullet.

I have had 5 BO's at one time. None has been able to safely top 1950 fps with this bullet. Even so its been a good bullet for me on deer.

Over on 300 blk forums they push and push the BO is so much more then a sub gun cartritage. So much more then a big long bullet launcher. Well in that light the HAM'r exceeds what the BLK can do.

Dont get me wrong. I still have three BO's and love the lil booger. Probably always have at least my Ruger American. (Its a dream to shoot) I havent 100% decided on the HAM'r.

CW

 

[Tomme boy]

I have always considered the 300blk a 45acp in a rifle bullet form. It is no where near the power of 7.62x39 or the 300 hamr. I was going through some things the other night and thinking the 300 in either form might not be best for me. I think I am just going to get rid of the 350 all together.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

What ever floats your boat!

I really enjoy my Ruger Bolt. Its very accurate with cast and jacketed.

I will be following suite with my AR tho. Ill be selling off my Faxon 350 Barrel. Probably, trying the HAM'r.

 

[Mainiac]

How long is the neck on the hamr?
I would shoot cast,in mine.

 

[popper]

Neck is OK, just a short throat.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

Looks about same as Black just longer "body" for more case Cap.

According to Bill Wilson in a email to be while back. Its not "friendly" to cast because he designed the chamber with close/tight tolerance's. So a fat bullet common with cast, may not chamber. I cant say I remember chamber drawings to know throat but probably as popper says.

CW

 

[L Ross]

Okay, am I just all wet going with a 7.62x39 upper? I've had it a few years, it shoots well with either the Lee SKS bullet of the XCB. I've killed two deer with Hornady 123 gr soft points and some 1680 powder.

 

[300BLK]

Okay, am I just all wet going with a 7.62x39 upper? I've had it a few years, it shoots well with either the Lee SKS bullet of the XCB. I've killed two deer with Hornady 123 gr soft points and some 1680 powder.

The problem with the x39 is that bolt heads fail. The smaller diameter 223 bolt has more meat on the bolt lugs, so can handle 62K psi vs 52K psi as spec'd on the 6mm ARC. X39 is usually loaded to lower pressure.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

Not to mention brass avaliblity for the reloader. Im really liking 223/556 based calibers. I have had a hand full!! 6x45, 6.5x45, 7TCU, 25/45, 300bo and next maybe the 300 HAM'r.

 

[RicinYakima]

Okay, am I just all wet going with a 7.62x39 upper? I've had it a few years, it shoots well with either the Lee SKS bullet of the XCB. I've killed two deer with Hornady 123 gr soft points and some 1680 powder.

Nope, still the best 30 caliber in the AR platform. But, you have to have high quality bolts, you can't buy bargin stuff. My Colt bolt has lasted many years with factory ammo, including milsurp. FWIW.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I did have a Colt '39 for a while. It was fine my cousin wanted it more then I did. I just never really appreciated them.

When the 300bo came to be I had no interest. I was into the 32/20 and just had a barrel made for a H&R rifle. My buddy bought one but I was not into AR's. Then Ruger announced the American Bolt was going ta be chambered I went to my dealer and THEY HAD ONE! I scooped it up! As I paid, guy came outta back room of shop and said dont sell that 300 Bolt gun. But papers and transfer was completed and I had paid. That was 2011 (I think maybe 2010) That gun is SO FLIPPIN ACCURATE!!! Best sub 400$ I ever spect on a bolt gun!!!!

Just Sat I was in a small shop and talked a complete stranger into one!!! Truth be told it was already a option for him but he was not sure. He is a hand loader of experience. I showed pics and explained my experience he told the guy Ill take this one!

CW

 

[RBHarter]

You use the ×39 parts and tools with 22 NOS brass and a 223 bolt . Fixes the case capacity and if you go ahead and AI it it fixes the AK mag bug allowing the use of the 22 NOS /6.8 mags which just have a different follower and mild radius mod over the 223/556 mags . There's also what amounts to a 30 Herritt rimless that can be done with the 6.8 or 22 NOS case .

 

[L Ross]

You use the ×39 parts and tools with 22 NOS brass and a 223 bolt . Fixes the case capacity and if you go ahead and AI it it fixes the AK mag bug allowing the use of the 22 NOS /6.8 mags which just have a different follower and mild radius mod over the 223/556 mags . There's also what amounts to a 30 Herritt rimless that can be done with the 6.8 or 22 NOS case .

Sorry RBH but I have almost no idea what you were trying to communicate. NOS, new old stock? AI Ackley Improved, Artificial Insemination, or Artificial Intelligence? AK mag bug? You mean because my mags have a curve in them? I typically stick a little short magazine in it with 5 rounds because I take it deer hunting, not war fighting. I'm too old to fight anything beyond the common cold. I wish I had a couple of those Clinton era 9 shot mags that were so nice and compact.
Don't know what a 6.8 is and I still haven't figured out .22 NOS. I am only being a little playful this morning with smart assery, but semi serious.

 

[RBHarter]

The 22 Nosler uses a rebated rim to 223/556 on the 30 Rem parented 6.8 SPC Rem . Both of which are 42 mm vs 39 mm and for practical purposes share the head dia but are straighter cases so they don't require the radius of the AK or SKS magazines.
I've often wondered why a PPC or Ackley-ized 7.62×39 isn't a thing .

 

[popper]

Fun thing with BO is I can play 32-20 with the CVA single shot. And use heavy bullets. IMHO the Hamr is a good rnd, I just don't need one. My hog hunting days are about over due to health and age. But I still like to tinker.

 

[Missionary]

Hey CW... You have no idea how young you will feel when a "tyrant / commy" comes knocking on your door.
I like the 300 BO. No need to buy molds and lots of brass always laying around. Uses little powder piles also.

 

[L Ross]

The 22 Nosler uses a rebated rim to 223/556 on the 30 Rem parented 6.8 SPC Rem . Both of which are 42 mm vs 39 mm and for practical purposes share the head dia but are straighter cases so they don't require the radius of the AK or SKS magazines.
I've often wondered why a PPC or Ackley-ized 7.62×39 isn't a thing .

Thank you!