Is FireClean(tm) really just Canola oil?

[Ian]

Jon, never heard of that, just the musings of a grease monkey with an engineering background and WAY too many product training classes in his past. Like was mentioned, if you want to get the zinc dosage that old STP used to provide in the late 1960s, one way is to use a concentrated racing oil additive or break-in additive for non-emission engines instead of today's STP (which ain't what it used to be, by a long shot). If you want the sticky-stringy effect, use a little Motor Honey, bar and chain oil, Lucas, or Morey's.

 

[L1A1Rocker]

LOL!!! "Cooking with FireClean"

Please forgive the commercial at the beginning.
https://www.full30.com/video/799453c720195640a7b73231b0a540a0

 

[JonB]

Tastes like freedom, lol

OK, Gonna try not to drift too far here, BUT...I have discovered about 10 of the 48oz plastic bottles (unopened) of cooking oil in my cellar (corn, veg, as well as canola) with fairly old "Use by" dates...like 2009 and/or 2011. Is there anything clever this can be used for ? sans human consumption.
Save it ? Or Dump it ?

 

[Paden]

Tastes like freedom, lol

OK, Gonna try to drift too far here, BUT...I have discovered about 10 of the 48oz plastic bottles (unopened) of cooking oil in my cellar (corn, veg, as well as canola) with fairly old "Use by" dates...like 2009 and/or 2011. Is there anything clever this can be used for ? sans human consumption.
Save it ? Or Dump it ?

Give it to someone who burns bio-diesel?

 

[fiver]

Flux, diesel fuel.
if it don't smell rancid I'd use it to cook with.

the only reason they quit using zinc in motor oils is because it didn't react well with the catalytic converters. [plugged them up]
many of the oils you see without the little ASE tag on it have ZDDP [zinc] in the oil. amsoil, royal purple, etc all have it and don't have that little tag on the bottle.
http://www.gizmag.com/sup-high-oleic-acid-safflower/23074/
this is a little taste of what is happening with seed oils.

this goes a little deeper into esters and such.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/esters-in-synthetic-lubricants/

 

[Ian]

Amsoil and Royal Purple don't have the API logo on them because their products either don't meet the current API specifications or they haven't paid API to test and certify it for them. Redline tries to fool you by listing the API specs that it is recommended for, but does not say specifically that it meets any of those specs. A good, full-on racing engine oil will not meet API SL or SM anyway.

 

[JonB]

Flux, diesel fuel.
if it don't smell rancid I'd use it to cook with.
...snip

Smells good. problem is my stomach. Normally I have a cast Iron gut.
But in the last week, I have had random spells of food poisoning symptoms.
a twisted up Gut and the squirts. At first I thought it was a bad carton of eggs,
I tossed them out,,,same thing with the next carton of eggs.
Then I was good for two days, no eggs at all.

Then it hits again, no eggs, but I fried some garbanzo Beans and shredded cheese for a tortilla-less chimichanga.
Only thing common with that meal and others was a bottle of Canola Oil...that I brought out of the cellar on Day one
of my problems...BINGO, the "best buy" Date was 2012. I went down into the cellar and find 9 more bottles of oil, some dated 2009.

So, I don't know if it was one bad old bottle or all of them in combination with my gut.
But, same time I posted here, I also posted an ad on a facebook garage sale group, and the oil just sold within the last hour...$5 for all.
So, I hope this is over, and I haven't over looked something?

 

[Ian]

I'm still trying to figure out why you didn't throw some candle dye in it and hawk it as the next greatest biodegradable, non-toxic, family-friendly, non-partisan, super-performance gun oil and get about $89.95 each... but if they order in the next 15 minutes you'd throw a second one in free and even pay the shipping. And a free Shamwow.

 

[Brad]

Ian is right, some people just don't know crap from canola.......

 

[Paden]

Ok, now I'm hungry! Off to rustle up some grub.... (and check dates).

 

[KHornet]

I really don't see the need for all the fuss over this issue. Agree with Ian's first statement.

 

[fiver]

I remember when they had that peanut butter salmonella thing go on, there was a bunch of old guy's trying to buy the stuff before it got to the store.
they sad it was better than Metamucil, cheaper, and tasted better too.

 

[Elkins45]

A long time ago, I was told a gunshow secret, a homemade gunoil that makes the bluing POP, doesn't streak or show glossy oil glazing, and most importantly retards fingerprints. It is 70% Mobil 1 and 30% STP. oops, I guess the secrets out

50% ATF
25% Mobil 1
25% STP

An old National Guard armorer shared this formula with me 25+ years ago and I mixed up a quart for myself. 25 years later and it, plus the case of Break Free I bought dirt cheap at Big Lots and some form of white grease are the only gun lubes I use. Other than the fact it will stain a white shirt I can't find a downside. The ATF gives it great penetrating power, the Mobil 1 gives super burn resistance and the STP makes it cling tenaciously to just about any surface.

I'm hopeful I can live long enough to use up the first batch.

 

[Rockrat]

I use GM's EOS. Used to be in smaller bottles, concentrated, but now its in larger bottles, mixed with some engine oil I believe.
The EOS is touted as an "assembly lube"

 

[L1A1Rocker]

50% ATF
25% Mobil 1
25% STP

An old National Guard armorer shared this formula with me 25+ years ago and I mixed up a quart for myself. 25 years later and it, plus the case of Break Free I bought dirt cheap at Big Lots and some form of white grease are the only gun lubes I use. Other than the fact it will stain a white shirt I can't find a downside. The ATF gives it great penetrating power, the Mobil 1 gives super burn resistance and the STP makes it cling tenaciously to just about any surface.

I'm hopeful I can live long enough to use up the first batch.

Is that the synthetic Mobil 1?

 

[Ian]

I believe the "Mobil 1" line is entirely synthetic PAO-based oil. At the time that recipe was devised, Mobil would have been one of the very few synthetic engine oils commonly available.

 

[Paden]

I believe the "Mobil 1" line is entirely synthetic PAO-based oil.

I believe this was true in the very beginning, but no longer. See page 28: http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/aktion/Attachment.html?attachmentId=695007

 

[Ian]

So they cheaped out and went with group III base stocks like everyone else, because API doesn't care and the financial power of the oil companies has prevented anyone from forcing them to provide truth in advertising. More specifically, no one has pushed the definition of the term "synthetic"....except in Germany where Mobil will have to disclose the change in formulation on the bottle of face the wrath from over there, which would be substantial. I love the line about "As PAO supply has tightened globally..." blah blah, I thought Mobil made their own freakin' PAO?? Oh well, whatever works. I just get pizzed because there is no such thing as a shear-stable viscosity modifier and the elimination of that little jewel is what the PAO hubbub has been all about from the beginning.

 

[Brad]

Would ATF, STP, and Ester 100 oil work almost as well? Could reduce the Ester 100 to 10 percent or so.

 

[Paden]

50% ATF
25% Mobil 1
25% STP

An old National Guard armorer shared this formula with me 25+ years ago...

The formulation of all three of these ingredients has changed significantly from what they were originally... For use as a GP gun oil it's probably no factor. Personally, I find straight synthetic ATF (I like Amsoil) to serve pretty well in that capacity. I live in a relatively cold climate, so extreme cold performance is a major criteria. As to automotive uses, I find the ad nauseam online debates about what a given engine oil is composed of entertaining but not especially relevant. Performance (especially cold performance) is more important to me than "what's in it" (again, I like Amsoil)... "What's in it" becomes relevant for me when we start discussing "off label" uses such as bullet lube recipes.