Huh, never heard that before. Hanging out with Ric is a good thing.The simple solution is to wipe the bore with Lee Liquid Alox and never clean it again. That has worked for at least 30 years for cast bullet shooters with rough bores.
Yeah, but they sure did put the stick to those 9mm loads that were supposed to be 1350fps that were really only 1050 or so!Heresy alert--the chronograph and borescope have created far more problems than they have ever resolved.
Yup. Read that recommendation back on the old Shooters.com board 20 some years back. It works a lot of the time. Same with some guns needing "seasoning" by shooting a mess of ammo through it. 22's are like that a lot. Clean the barrel and it shoots kind of wild. Put 50 rounds through it and it settles down. Some guns NEED to be cleaned though. Milsurps with massive jacket fouling never have shot cast well for me. Get it down to pretty much bare steel and then start shooting. Seems to work most of the time.The simple solution is to wipe the bore with Lee Liquid Alox and never clean it again. That has worked for at least 30 years for cast bullet shooters with rough bores.
I can't stand all of the little crumbs lying in the bottom of my good .22's barrels. So a .22 cotton patch, soaked in Ed's Red, on a .17 caliber jag and they are gone and the first shot the next time hits the target. Now, my targets are life size prairie dogs shot off hand at 80 yards so I cannot claim no change of impact for a itty bitty tiny X ring at 50 meters.I can't help myself. When I shoot a gun I clean it...with the exception of checking zero as I begin a hunt. I will fire a 3 shot group to confirm zero and not clean until after the season.
The chronograph's value as a polygraph for ammomakers cannot be denied. I kinda forgot about that.Yeah, but they sure did put the stick to those 9mm loads that were supposed to be 1350fps that were really only 1050 or so!
It counts for me.i'm guessing that minute of deer don't count?
Which is why I bought the Oehler 35P with the three screen set up. I trust the numbers that result from that unit. The kit also came with diffusers.if you have 2 chronographs you can measure muzzle velocity just like the bullet makers used to.
put your first one at 10 feet your second 10 feet further away and shoot through both of them, the difference is your MV correction.
Agree, powder residue can gather moisture and cause issues. I guess we have to define "cleaning". For me, cleaning is going at it with brushes, chemicals and numerous patches to get down to pretty much bare metal. To my mind, thats not the same as giving the bore a shot of Breakfree or fogging oil or even WD40. That's not cleaning, that's corrosion protection and is something different in my opinion.I can't stand all of the little crumbs lying in the bottom of my good .22's barrels. So a .22 cotton patch, soaked in Ed's Red, on a .17 caliber jag and they are gone and the first shot the next time hits the target. Now, my targets are life size prairie dogs shot off hand at 80 yards so I cannot claim no change of impact for a itty bitty tiny X ring at 50 meters.
I have a friend and gunsmith who has a bore scope and he has shown me a pattern of pitting and a touch of throat erosion that corresponds to .22 fouling's position in a bore. He takes a Q-Tip and cuts the cotton swab off, places it in the chamber and "shoots" it through the barrel with compressed air after each use. He also has his photo next to the phrase ANAL in the dictionary. Not a bad thing for a guy who can think in tenths of thousandths.
The only timeI really deep clean a gun is when I shoot BP through it. The patches have to come out nearly perfectly white before I am satisfied. Also when I buy a used gun I try to deep clean the barrel. I thought Mil Surps were bad until I tried to de-copper an 86 Winchester in .33 w.c.f.Agree, powder residue can gather moisture and cause issues. I guess we have to define "cleaning". For me, cleaning is going at it with brushes, chemicals and numerous patches to get down to pretty much bare metal. To my mind, thats not the same as giving the bore a shot of Breakfree or fogging oil or even WD40. That's not cleaning, that's corrosion protection and is something different in my opinion.
Yes, I consider this "maintenance" and not cleaning. And that is what I do, one damp patch of Ed's Red and one dry patch. BArrels are cleaned down to bare metal only once, when I first get them to have a base to start with.My .22's get a patch of Ed's Red pushed through and call it good. The exterior gets a good wipe down with an old sock soaked in Ballistol, even the stainless, aluminum, wood, and plastic.
When I come in from a cast bullet center fire session I do the same thing, although I usually flip the patch over, run it through a second time, and finish with a dry patch. My Ed's has lanolin in it. The exterior gets the Ballistol sock.