Wow, scrolling through this thread, it took 6 pages to find one person who uses a pot and ladle! I cast using a pot over a propane burner. I use discarded freon bottles. I cut once around about 4" high, then another cut on the leftover top section, 3". I seat the bottom in the ring, level it up, and weld them together. Very stable. I have 3, one for lino, one wheel weights, the last for pure lead.