Lyman's 311359
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quicksylver
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Drat you guys anyway, and your texts about Lyman #311359. Not sure just how much longer I can live without having one of these, now. The pics are a mite surprising--I had no idea the bullet's nose profile was so "pointy".
I have muddled through in 30/31 caliber for several years with the Lee Soup Can (113 grain FN/GC) on my several 30 caliber rifles and a 30 Carbine Blackhawk. My edition of the "LSC" won't pass muster for the 32/20s I have, though--.311" is as good as it gets, and for my war toys .313" is the bare minimum, and my S&W M&P x 5" needs .314". I suspect Lyman's offering might come up a bit short for my usages diametrically, as well. So, a semi-custom mould makes the most sense.
You guys cost me a bushel of money.
NOE ..Has a simular design...
Dan,
Is this the bullet that you are making reference to ?
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/product_info.php?cPath=30_345&products_id=1401
Is this the bullet that you are making reference to ?
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/product_info.php?cPath=30_345&products_id=1401
quicksylver
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That might be just what the doctor ordered--I like the 2-cav (1 PB/1 GC) option very much. If they could be "fudged" out to about .315" as-cast diameter, then I'm all over it.
quicksylver
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I think there is a 314 version...his always (did) cast larger..I depended on it..
KHornet
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Had no inventory left of 359's since it has been over 10 yrs since I cast the mold. Sooooo, I got
up early this a.m. while it was only 77 degrees, and cast about 250 of them before the temps
jump into the mid 90's that are forecast for today. Sunday forcast is for over 100. Forgot how nice
that old mold cast, and bullets come out super clean. Kinda nice when something works out
well for you the first thing in the a.m.
up early this a.m. while it was only 77 degrees, and cast about 250 of them before the temps
jump into the mid 90's that are forecast for today. Sunday forcast is for over 100. Forgot how nice
that old mold cast, and bullets come out super clean. Kinda nice when something works out
well for you the first thing in the a.m.
quicksylver
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Retrial with the 359 ..today....
Just plain bad shooting on my part..plus I used the Hornaday cases..I must have the M die set too deep because the bullets went into the case about a third of their length using finger pressure before they stopped..
OH well ...THEY still seemed to want to please..good excuse to try again...
Just plain bad shooting on my part..plus I used the Hornaday cases..I must have the M die set too deep because the bullets went into the case about a third of their length using finger pressure before they stopped..
OH well ...THEY still seemed to want to please..good excuse to try again...
KHornet
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Dan,
50 years ago, there were very few production rifles that would consistently hold 1" groups with factory ammo. Three inch groups at 100 were considered acceptably accuracy for Deer rifles, and 3-4" groups were considered adequate for military rifles with ball ammo. There were few reloaders, and very few custom bullet makers back then also. There were very few rifle shooters shooting cast. We have come a long way with ballistics both with jacketed and cast. Some of the premium bullet makers are charging a buck a bullet for their products. Most all factory ammo today will, when shot by practiced shooters in good bolt guns approach or achieve an inch out of the box.
Dan, there are a whole whoop of hunters and occasional shooters today, who would give their left whatever's to shoot either of those groups with ammo costing over a buck around. The quest for bug hole groups at 100 with cast is a worthy quest, AND I hope you can achieve it (and I hope I can come close to achieving it myself).
Paul
50 years ago, there were very few production rifles that would consistently hold 1" groups with factory ammo. Three inch groups at 100 were considered acceptably accuracy for Deer rifles, and 3-4" groups were considered adequate for military rifles with ball ammo. There were few reloaders, and very few custom bullet makers back then also. There were very few rifle shooters shooting cast. We have come a long way with ballistics both with jacketed and cast. Some of the premium bullet makers are charging a buck a bullet for their products. Most all factory ammo today will, when shot by practiced shooters in good bolt guns approach or achieve an inch out of the box.
Dan, there are a whole whoop of hunters and occasional shooters today, who would give their left whatever's to shoot either of those groups with ammo costing over a buck around. The quest for bug hole groups at 100 with cast is a worthy quest, AND I hope you can achieve it (and I hope I can come close to achieving it myself).
Paul
quicksylver
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Brad ..I had one of those sessions where I didn't have control of anything...seating position, sight picture, finger control..
I couldn't have called a shot if I had to...BUT it was still a day "at the range"
quicksylver
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Paul..a fairly good day at the range using the 308 will produce at least a couple of these...
quicksylver
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Drat you guys anyway, and your texts about Lyman #311359. Not sure just how much longer I can live without having one of these, now. The pics are a mite surprising--I had no idea the bullet's nose profile was so "pointy".
I have muddled through in 30/31 caliber for several years with the Lee Soup Can (113 grain FN/GC) on my several 30 caliber rifles and a 30 Carbine Blackhawk. My edition of the "LSC" won't pass muster for the 32/20s I have, though--.311" is as good as it gets, and for my war toys .313" is the bare minimum, and my S&W M&P x 5" needs .314". I suspect Lyman's offering might come up a bit short for my usages diametrically, as well. So, a semi-custom mould makes the most sense.
You guys cost me a bushel of money.
9.3 Forgot about the above bullet...that actually is the NOE 314466 and it cast .315....it's a little heavier but boy does it shoot..
quicksylver
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Ian..GOOD EYE !!!!..I spotted the same things...but I have to write them off for now because those bullets were lubed checked and sized 40+ years ago..
the only thing I did to them was resize to .310 and rolled them in BLL...that could be some very hard, sticky 50/50 coming off...
The other thing I need to do is get my aim points on something like paper plates as the paper I am using is wrinkled and not flat against the backing..makes for some weird holes sometimes..
thanks for the input..
I suppose I could gently heat some, melt the existing lube and relube them....
the only thing I did to them was resize to .310 and rolled them in BLL...that could be some very hard, sticky 50/50 coming off...
The other thing I need to do is get my aim points on something like paper plates as the paper I am using is wrinkled and not flat against the backing..makes for some weird holes sometimes..
thanks for the input..
I suppose I could gently heat some, melt the existing lube and relube them....
I don't have the 311359, but have the RCBS 7.62 130SPL. It drops a little heavier and looks like it should be made for the 300BLK, but didn't group as well as hoped in my limited experiments. This thread suggests that it might be a good lightweight candidate for the 308s and 30-06s.
KHornet
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The 359 may be a bullet that requires less lube. Will try lubing only the bottom groove on the next batch.
Waiting for some Al checks from Josh to try, may be a good test for lube needs at the same time to
compare Josh's checks with gator checks.
Life and reloading are a testing process!
Waiting for some Al checks from Josh to try, may be a good test for lube needs at the same time to
compare Josh's checks with gator checks.
Life and reloading are a testing process!
Ian
Notorious member
Low-powered stuff needs a very soft, non-sticky lube. That usually means beeswax, paraffin, and Vaseline with not much else. Even BW and paraffin can "cling" too long if made too stiff. Paraffin smokes and has its drawbacks, but can uniform cold-bore shots with the rest of the group and will assist lube fling.
Lube type isn't just determined by the bullet design, bore condition has even more to do with how a given lube will perform. Consistency in everything and lube jettison at the muzzle is key to keeping those pesky 4 and 5 flyers at bay.
Y'all want to know why BLL by itself has proven so consistent for those that have perfected loads with it? Consistency of bore condition and very little lube mass in the grooves. Plus, the stuff goes full-liquid almost immediately, so even if it accumulates in deep lube grooves it doesn't stay there long, even in a revolver.
Lube type isn't just determined by the bullet design, bore condition has even more to do with how a given lube will perform. Consistency in everything and lube jettison at the muzzle is key to keeping those pesky 4 and 5 flyers at bay.
Y'all want to know why BLL by itself has proven so consistent for those that have perfected loads with it? Consistency of bore condition and very little lube mass in the grooves. Plus, the stuff goes full-liquid almost immediately, so even if it accumulates in deep lube grooves it doesn't stay there long, even in a revolver.