My CC came in handy

[Kevin Stenberg]

My grandson will always stepup and help the underdog. In a lopsided conflict. A couple of weeks ago a large group of adults were taunting a verbal conflict between a man an woman. At 2 am in front of the GS first floor apartment. My GS stepped up to help the woman.
Several of the males were also residents of the apartment complex. And the local gang bullies.
Long story short. Multiple police calls and statements in a couple of days. Threats of violence and overt actions taken by the bullies. Loaded ammunition left at nite on doorstep.
Last Thursday the GS called. And said it wasn't safe anymore where he lived. He found an open apartment and would be moving on Sat. Sun. An asked for our help. And requested i came prepared for some kind of a confrontation. So multiple magazines an extra rounds. Helped the weekend go by smoothly.

 

[Pistolero]

Always good to have options, and to hope that they are not needed. But, far better to be armed and
not need it than to need it and not be armed. What part of the county was this event held? Fortunately,
somewhere which does not prohibit CCW.

Bill

 

[Bret4207]

Sad what our society has become.

 

[Kevin Stenberg]

This was in Fargo ND. Both my Daughter and GS now see the need for CC license.
I have repetadly told them that they have to have the mindset. That it is better not to have a firearm if they have second thoughts about taking someones life.

 

[Pistolero]

Wow, gangs in Fargo, ND. I had no idea that the infection had gone that far,
somehow imagining it was still only in the really big cities.
And, yes, the pollyanna view that you don't need to be armed is more common among
the young who haven't had much experience and still think everyone is a good
person. Most are, but not all, and if you run into one of the "not all" and have no
options, the outcome can be very bad.

Bill

 

[fiver]

you should see the ones over in Williston on the other side of the state.
they ain't your local 15 Y.O. punks grouped up on the street corner, they rode in on Motor Bikes and started making Bar owners and the like offers they weren't likely to refuse, when the oil field ramped up.

 

[Bret4207]

Wow, gangs in Fargo, ND. I had no idea that the infection had gone that far,
somehow imagining it was still only in the really big cities.
And, yes, the pollyanna view that you don't need to be armed is more common among
the young who haven't had much experience and still think everyone is a good
person. Most are, but not all, and if you run into one of the "not all" and have no
options, the outcome can be very bad.

Bill

IME Bill, the vast majority of people are as good as they need to be to get through life and not much better than that. Not that most are truly "bad", but everyone I've ever run into, myself included, can be pushed into doing something they're less than proud of.

 

[freebullet]

Im glad it didnt come in REALLY handy.

Get them out of there. Don't look back. Life is to short.

If your forced to play an evil game, be the devil.

 

[JWFilips]

Only had to do a stand once: My son is a musician and he was playing a bar that hired him in South Scranton. As we were told "Please wrap it up by 11:30 pm & get paid because it gets really "Dark" in here by then! Well it took until 12 pm to get his pay after packing up his stuff! I was at the front door : He & I were the only one ones not dark by than.... Money and son came out the door and I waited at that door until he got in his car to leave.
Pretty damn scary!

 

[Kevin Stenberg]

Drugs like in most large cities are everywhere. Fargo is very cimuler in size to St Paul.
The first night after supper. My wife and daughter went to local Wally World. My wife wanted to go on her own. To speed things up. Daughter said " Not a Chance" This was the worst side of town. An people just disapear .

 

[Todd M]

Wow, gangs in Fargo, ND. I had no idea that the infection had gone that far,
somehow imagining it was still only in the really big cities.
And, yes, the pollyanna view that you don't need to be armed is more common among
the young who haven't had much experience and still think everyone is a good
person. Most are, but not all, and if you run into one of the "not all" and have no
options, the outcome can be very bad.

Bill

We have gang wars in small towns here, towns under 10,000 population. Different areas of the country are certainly subject to different afflictions.

 

[Pistolero]

Well at least better than someplace where you cannot be armed to protect yourself.
Where are you, Todd M? If you don't mind saying.

Bill

 

[Bret4207]

We're very rural here. We don't have gangs per se, but we have plenty of enterprising young people who like to play Dr Chemist in their apartments and other enterprising young people who moved in from Syracuse/Rochester/NYC and kept their ties with the gangs back home. And of course there are the folks who moved here to be close to their relatives in our 3 prisons. I'm all for inclusiveness, but it seems like we get what overflowed out of the cess pool.

 

[Kevin Stenberg]

There are 2 reasons we have gang problems in our state. 1 we are located close to Chicago. 2 It is very easy to get government assistance (food, heating,housing, welfare )

 

[popper]

Reminds me of the short stint I did with a band playing beer halls in Ks. You know, the ones with chicken wire across the stage. Get paid/packed and ready to roll as soon as the gig is over. No gangs, just liquored up farm kids. Moved from apt in DFW when it went section 8 and people sitting on their cars watched me and she walking with the stroller.

 

[Ian]

Well at least better than someplace where you cannot be armed to protect yourself.
Where are you, Todd M? If you don't mind saying.

Bill

Mouse over Todd's avatar to see.

 

[Todd M]

Well at least better than someplace where you cannot be armed to protect yourself.
Where are you, Todd M? If you don't mind saying.

Bill

Ian has it. Zillah WA.

When I say there we have gang wars I don't mean it's just unsafe to go anywhere, but there are 2 towns here that it is wise to not be out on foot after 10. Occasional shootings. A good friend of mine was killed in a random drive by shooting a few years back in Yakima. Thankfully Zillah doesn't seem to be infested yet. We did have a shooting last year but shooter was not gang related.

 

[CZ93X62]

Criminal orgs have sent emissaries throughout every American State and Canadian Province to seek out market share for their illegal goods and services. Bret is absolutely correct when he stated that "People are only as good as they need to be in order to get by". The threshold has lowered since I was a younger man, for certain. CA has historically been VERY restrictive in granting CCWs. I wish I had a dollar for every Chief's Special or Walther PPK/S that I enthusiastically ignored on vehicle stops of decent folks during my patrol time--I could have retired years earlier.

 

[462]

The new sheriff has a positive attitude about issuing licenses. I'm well into the process and should have an answer within the next two months.

 

[Bret4207]

NYS, as opposed to NYC, has actually been pretty decent on the whole as far as issuing pistol licenses (called "Pistol Permits" here) in the northern, central and western counties. The problems come in the lower NYC bedroom counties and around the major upstate cities like Syracuse and Rochester. As long as you weren't a mutt or nuts, you could get one. Over the past few years some of our county court judges took it upon themselves to start restricting the permits to "hunting and target use only". Why you might wonder? Because in NYS there is wording in the law that says you have to state "why" you want a permit. Everyone in NYS had always put down "hunting and target shooting" because if you put down "self defense " anywhere in the application it was like a red flag and you'd never get a permit. So some activist judge decided he had the authority under the law to restrict the permit to whatever you put down on the application. This has brought people to the conclusion that if you carry the gun for other than hunting or target shooting you are voiding the permit somehow. It's going to have to go through the courts I'm sure, but it's ridiculous that we've come to this.