My CC came in handy
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I had an occasion to use mine last summer. My daughter saw someone on her security camera, I responded and found a guy messing around her camper and house. In the melee he ran into her house, I followed,drew my weapon and told him to exit or I would shoot. He ran out and was got by police 3 blks away. THEY BROUGHT HIM BACK AND ASKED IF WE WANTED TO CHARGE HIM. aT THAT TIME i TOLD THE POLICE i HAD DRAWN A GUN AND WAS SURPRISE WHEN TOLD i DID THE RIGHT THING. GUY TURNED OUT TO BE MENTALLY IMPAIRED,THOUGHT HE WAS AT HIS BROTHERS HOUSE SO WE ASKED HE GET MEDICAL TREATMENT INSTEAD OF FILING CHARGES. My daughter is getting her CCW this month.
KHornet
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A few years back while turkey hunting in the Halsey Nat Forest, a group of 4 wheelers almost ran into me (in a pickup) one of them going faster than he should have been just barely missed the front of my truck, went airborne. The other 4-5 were benind and swevered off to the side. I got stopped about 10-15 yds beyond (had only been doing about 15 mph or so. I got out of the truck to see if anyone was hurt. The group started at me and I knew they had it in mind to beat me up. About that time, I pulled my holstered blackhawk from the side forward hand on the butt. That stopped them dead in their tracks. I asked if the kid who had gone airborne was hurt, and he said he was just a little brused. At that point, my hunting partner got out of the truck and he was also open holster carrying, and it got real peaceful and friendly. They got on their 4 wheelers and left. There is little doubt in my military mind that if I had not been carrying, at the least I would have been beat up. They were probably 20-25 yrs old.
Paul
Paul
KHornet
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Bret, New York has always been governed by political individuals who lacked (IMO) the common sense of a brick. Don't know how it is now, but a pistol permit in New York, when I was 22 years old was for an individual weapon, and I had to have my mother sign for me at the time. Still have the
permit, and the Colt 357 it was issued for. It is probably invalid now.
Paul
permit, and the Colt 357 it was issued for. It is probably invalid now.
Paul
RBHarter
West Central AR
Knock on wood I've never had cause to need to draw .
My Dad did find himself in the wrong place at the wrong time with about 40 very angry ranchers just south of Bishop Ca . Seems like early that morning someone had shot a $5,000 stud bull (lotta money in 1969 ) . He had a 1917 Colts drawn and cocked when a local game warden interviened on his behalf . About all that was said to him was that he might want to unload it when he got around the corner after leaving the field as the CHPs checking everyone out bound wouldn't understand .
If not for CFG officer Vern Brant things might have gone very badly .
My Dad did find himself in the wrong place at the wrong time with about 40 very angry ranchers just south of Bishop Ca . Seems like early that morning someone had shot a $5,000 stud bull (lotta money in 1969 ) . He had a 1917 Colts drawn and cocked when a local game warden interviened on his behalf . About all that was said to him was that he might want to unload it when he got around the corner after leaving the field as the CHPs checking everyone out bound wouldn't understand .
If not for CFG officer Vern Brant things might have gone very badly .
I've never needed or wanted to point a firearm at anyone. Now the nozzle at the gas pump is a different story. Was working late one night and had to pull the truck in for fuel around 3 AM to make it back. Had just inserted the card to turn the pump on and picked up the nozzle when this feller walks up with a knife in his hand and announces that he is relieving me of my wallet. Really? Not too smart. I have a gas nozzle in one hand that soaks him from his head to his belt in gasoline and that really ticked him off. His attitude however got much better when he saw the Bic in my other hand. I really didn't know anyone could run that fast.
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Paul, NYS has each handgun the subject has registered to him on the permit. I think there are 25 or so on my permit. Pain in the butt system, but I'm used to it. I am of the opinion we need not gun control, but people control. We need a way to weed out the nuts and violent among us. Until we address HIPPA laws and start to take some pro-active approaches to criminal behavior we aren't going to find a workable way of ensuring the law abiding citizen isn't getting punsihed for the crimes of the insane or criminal.
RBHarter
West Central AR
California has such a system .
My concern is that an application could be defered for a sleep aid perscription written for a person employed by an employer with a zero tolerance policy because various OTCs can and will throw false positives . Then the employee has to pay and write letters .....ete,etc .
Same deal with "a little helper for the holiday blues " .
Rough stretch and an anti depressent during or after a major negetive life change .
10 yr old registration citation even though it was resolved and should not have issued to begin with ........
Any of those are credible as an irresponsible unstable person in California . Which means they can show up and take the whole collection , leaving the owner no recourse but legal fees so high that it's probably cheaper to just leave the state and start over . Nevada is headed down that road as we speak .
Also by the letter of the law if you leave Cali with a gun purchased there to sell it it has to be transferred through a Ca FFL dealer even if you moved to Maine . I suspect that is mostly ignored but it's a felony illegal transfer .
Lots of people that aren't anything anywhere near criminal , threatening , a danger to themselves or anyone else , but just non social and chose to see a medical professional instead of a bartender or liquor store would be denighed for responsible choices .
Nope get a judge's order . Stay the hell out of medical records . You can look at the court record but it had better look at the whole picture from initiation to resolution .
My concern is that an application could be defered for a sleep aid perscription written for a person employed by an employer with a zero tolerance policy because various OTCs can and will throw false positives . Then the employee has to pay and write letters .....ete,etc .
Same deal with "a little helper for the holiday blues " .
Rough stretch and an anti depressent during or after a major negetive life change .
10 yr old registration citation even though it was resolved and should not have issued to begin with ........
Any of those are credible as an irresponsible unstable person in California . Which means they can show up and take the whole collection , leaving the owner no recourse but legal fees so high that it's probably cheaper to just leave the state and start over . Nevada is headed down that road as we speak .
Also by the letter of the law if you leave Cali with a gun purchased there to sell it it has to be transferred through a Ca FFL dealer even if you moved to Maine . I suspect that is mostly ignored but it's a felony illegal transfer .
Lots of people that aren't anything anywhere near criminal , threatening , a danger to themselves or anyone else , but just non social and chose to see a medical professional instead of a bartender or liquor store would be denighed for responsible choices .
Nope get a judge's order . Stay the hell out of medical records . You can look at the court record but it had better look at the whole picture from initiation to resolution .
I didn't torch the guy, wasn't any need to given his remarkably sudden change of attitude and seemingly powerful desire to be someplace, anyplace else. Just how stupid does a guy need to be if your intent is to rob someone at knife point that perhaps it's not a good plan to walk up to him while he has a gas nozzle in his hand?
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
RB Harter, then how do you weed out the crazies on massive amounts of Rx drugs seeing a Pshrink 3x a week and fantasizing about eating human brains? I don't like it any better than anyone else, but at least the mental health side of HIPPA laws need some tweaking, or maybe the mental health industry needs some tweaking so they have some way of advising LE that Norm is nuts. Privacy is fine, losing an enumerated right to satisfy a tiny minorities privacy rights seems a larger problem. There is no easy answer.
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Always remember 50% of the people you run into are below average intelligence........
Bass Ackward
Active Member
What? Youze guys don't believe in, "Don't worry, …. be happy"? 
RBHarter
West Central AR
A small minority ?
I suspect if the number of Xs in the last 20 yr with an unfounded need for a TRO is well above a small minority , it seems to be SOP anytime kids are involved .
I'd venture that half of the employees over the last 20 years at my last employer and 30-40% of everyone in any kind of law enforcement , medical or fire have had a related script .
I'd venture that the violent wack jobs are the miniscule minority .
If every kid that pulled a fly wing off were listed 2/3 of the male population would be listed , based on the kids I went to school with . The world would be shocked by how many women would make the list .
Where would you draw the line ? There is the basic black and white uncomplicated question that needs an answer . Is it a time since thing . Is it a number of refills ? Occurrences in time ? Level of medication ? BMI ? Life choices ? Social media groups ? Fish with or without cross on the trunk ? Southern Baptist and Catholics don't pass but Methodists and Episcopalians get a pass ? Jews ? Voter registration ? Lead foot in your youth ? Goth crew ? Leave it up to some government employee behind a desk 1000 miles away with an algorithm that scores like a base/acid scale and as long as you score between 5.5&7.5 it's ok to have 1s&8s .
I suspect if the number of Xs in the last 20 yr with an unfounded need for a TRO is well above a small minority , it seems to be SOP anytime kids are involved .
I'd venture that half of the employees over the last 20 years at my last employer and 30-40% of everyone in any kind of law enforcement , medical or fire have had a related script .
I'd venture that the violent wack jobs are the miniscule minority .
If every kid that pulled a fly wing off were listed 2/3 of the male population would be listed , based on the kids I went to school with . The world would be shocked by how many women would make the list .
Where would you draw the line ? There is the basic black and white uncomplicated question that needs an answer . Is it a time since thing . Is it a number of refills ? Occurrences in time ? Level of medication ? BMI ? Life choices ? Social media groups ? Fish with or without cross on the trunk ? Southern Baptist and Catholics don't pass but Methodists and Episcopalians get a pass ? Jews ? Voter registration ? Lead foot in your youth ? Goth crew ? Leave it up to some government employee behind a desk 1000 miles away with an algorithm that scores like a base/acid scale and as long as you score between 5.5&7.5 it's ok to have 1s&8s .
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
You lost me in the 2nd sentence, what is a TRO? X's are Rx's, right? I agree the violent whack jobs are the minuscule minority, but they are the problems that are causing issues for the rest of us. I'm not so much concerned with what Rx Norm is taking. I'm concerned with Norm being Nuts. It seems an awful lot of the people that do the really bad things, outside of the gangs and terrs, have a long history with treatment and interactions with LE and mental health. We tried to get people we knew were on the brink help. It was like we hit a wall. And I know personally of people who underwent in patient treatment for really violent things and were released without LE in the area being told. I'm not real worried about Bob and Cathy who are both on some sort of anti-depressant and struggling with daily life. I am concerned about their 15 yo kid who's bullied relentlessly at school, spend all his time on his phone playing killing games and visiting with others who hate life and who has a mental health pro that pushing pills into the kid in hopes it'll fix him. That's the kid you need to watch and you need to watch the older version of him that is 35, has only virtual friends and is still hating life and eating pills. All those nifty algorithms ought to be able to establish some sort of model we can profile and look for. Yeah, PROFILE. It works, okay? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, it's probably a duck. Punishing the rest of us for someone elses problems and crimes isn't the answer. I don't know where you draw the line, it's not simple. But I do know that until we start drawing fine lines, the answer presented is going to be to use a very, very broad brush and paint anyone with a gun with it.
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smokeywolf
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I won't comment on the legal/political/HIPPA part of this conversation, but will say that during my years in law enforcement, it was uncommon for me not to unholster my gun at least a couple of times each night and I leveled a pistol at individuals many times over the years.
Just one instance that most of the public don't think about is, when a peace officer is parked in a marked or unmarked car, and a stranger pulls up next to them to get directions, exchange information or whatever, that peace officer has his or her pistol muzzle pressed against the inside of their door panel aimed at the unknown individual. If that peace officer doesn't see the need to take that precaution, they're in the wrong line of work.
Just one instance that most of the public don't think about is, when a peace officer is parked in a marked or unmarked car, and a stranger pulls up next to them to get directions, exchange information or whatever, that peace officer has his or her pistol muzzle pressed against the inside of their door panel aimed at the unknown individual. If that peace officer doesn't see the need to take that precaution, they're in the wrong line of work.