My Findings; after thoroughly testing PC coatings!

GRMPS

Active Member
is the best I've found
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are very good too
Eastwood's

work well also.
that blue PC that Elvis ammo uses looks good.
most 80% or better gloss polyester will work for "shake and bake" some just work better at not sticking
 

GRMPS

Active Member
Yellows and whites usually don't cover very well
you can mix colors and create a multitude of colors


 

Rally Hess

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I’m not considering pc coating bullets yet, but am considering using it on my water traps. It surely will hold up better than wax.
 

Ian

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+1 on 80% gloss or better for shake'n'bake. I tried semi-gloss and matte finishes and the powder doesn't want to stick to the bullets.
 

358156 hp

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I had a sample of a flat purple powder given to me to try, and it wouldn't stick to the bullets worth a hoot. So I tried mixing it with a gloss clear and ended up with a sort of psychedelic effect. I had hoped the mix might salvage the situation, but I was wrong. Gloss clear (alone), and Carolina Blue are my two most reliable powders. I have tried mixing other colors and ended up with a speckled Easter egg effect that was okay, but I probably won't pursue that direction further.
 

freebullet

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I'm curious why it mentions virgin powder in that pick... do they sell reclaimed powder?...is it labeled slutty used powder, swept off the floor powder, or what?
 

GRMPS

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One thing many people overlook when baking PC'd bullets. the instructions call for baking "XX" amount of minutes at "XXX" degrees AFTER the PC has started to flow/melt
 

mattw

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I had tried the HF powder a couple of years ago, it ticked me off so bad I never wanted to try again! Well, ended up with a sample pack from Smoke, bright red, gloss black and blue. My daughter and I did a couple hundred red 9mm's this weekend and a handful of RCBS 30's for the 300 bo. OMG did his powder work! Second coated the reds, should not have done that!

Then my kid says... lets mix blue and red! So, we made an awesome grape purple that stuck and covered like nobodies business. I may now be hooked for pistols... still not sure about rifles makes a gas check a horrible thing to put on!
 

Ian

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Put the gas check on first, pre-size in a dry push-through (or use the wire pulling lube Bama uses), wash in solvent, dry, THEN coat.
 

Bass Ackward

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I’ll .... be .... danged. Life used to be SO simple. You lubed your bullets and all the powder went on the Ol’Lady. Now that I’m old, I gotta lube the O’lady & I gotta learn how to powder my bullets? Life ain’t fair, but it always challenges ya. What would Felix think a this?
 

smokeywolf

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I may try PCing one of these days, but it's highly doubtful. I'm a member of Paul's (KHornet) club. Although with me, you'd have to add a heaping helping of cantankerous.

I most certainly did enjoy JW's write-up though.
 

Bass Ackward

Active Member
Felix was convinced Polymers were the future.
I remember him mentioning it. I remember wondering just HOW it would be possible. My mind was going the polymer instead of bees wax route & figured that was the reason for the delay. So .... this is sorta making an encapsulated sabot for the slug. I remember the old days when some guys would have FITS if their gun got black (dirty) shooting. Imagine them guys with a yellow r pink gun that don't just wipe off? NOW I understand the steps & cleaning comments & everything sorta falls into place. And you guys made this work out? Learn somethin new everyday. I'll keep readin, thanks.
 

CZ93X62

Redlands, Kalifornistan
PCing started getting traction just about the time I had casting/sizing/lubes/soft-pointing semi-figured-out and started getting repeatable & consistent results. Naturally, that was a perfect time for Something Better to come along. I might take it up eventually, but 'Getting jacketed performance out of cast bullets' has never been a long-term goal of mine, because 70% of the calibers I shoot already have that capability as a product feature. That is why I bought the things in the first place. I can afford redcoats for the gas guns. I choose to run castings in the high-velocity calibers to give my shoulder some easier work and my rifle barrels a break from the 50K PSI+ pressures & erosion, and still punch nice clusters into paper or deserving varmint and game species. I am happy where I'm at with my medieval cast bullet tech.

People use the term "medieval" like it's some bad thing. Not I--make America beautiful, and help keep it medieval.

And people who whine about dirty rifle and handgun bores need to take a day next week and go find a life. Eau de Hoppe's #9 is a lovely fragrance, and the best things in life are dirty.

Rants concluded, and we now return you to your regularly-scheduled programming.
 
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Ian

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Felix discussed the polymer thing with me at length because the concept fascinated me and I kept bugging him about it. What he had conceived was a blend of engineered molecules which would produce a soft but stable substance like a soft Nylon, about the consistency of "bullet lube".

I took that concept as far as I could and consistently met with the same failure point that had concerned me in the beginning: Plastic grease melts and then re-congeals, making a nasty plastic coating in the bore akin to wad fouling in a shotgun, but lots worse. My conclusion was that burn-proof flouropolymers would be needed for such a grease to work, and they are so toxic and expensive as to be completely prohibitive. Metal soap/wax blend/paraffin oil lubes bumped with a small amount of ester or castor oil still get it done at my house for traditional lubing.

Polyester powder paint works extremely well. I've mentioned it many times, but it bears mentioning again that if it weren't for the distinct benefit of eliminating lead fouling in my suppressors, I likely wouldn't have taken a serious look at powder coating my cast bullets. But I did try it, it worked, and powdered paint "changed the game" as they say. I continue to explore the limits of what powder coating can do for bullets in HV rifle applications, how it can allow much softer bullets to be pushed fast with accuracy than traditional lubes, and how it can eliminate the factor of "bore seasoning" that is our nemesis when it comes to cleaning, and also eliminate temperature-related flyers.
 

JWFilips

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Ian,
I remember one of your old post where you were cutting up plastic sandwich containers to add to your lube while it was cooking!
At that time I figured you were a genius or crazy! ;)