My new 45/70 barrel

Kevin Stenberg

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I just received a used Handi barrel in 45/70. I slugged the barrel today and I think I am going to have problems.. The slug measured .4565.
The problem is as the slug was pushed from the chamber to the muzzle. The first half of the bore was fairly consistent on the pressure it took to push the bullet. But as the bullet got closer to the muzzle the looser it got. It didn't fall out by its own weight but it wasn't far from it. Kevin
 

fiver

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might have to push another in and back out from the muzzle end.

just out of curiosity is this a tapered barrel?
 

Ian

Notorious member
If it turns out that it does actually have a reverse-taper that's easy enough to fix, especially since you have a couple thousandths of diameter to work with.
 

fiver

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I'd check both ends and see for sure what I had.
a 4565 x 458 is really workable.
some 45 colt bullets a little paper and some clover compound.
pop,pop,pop.... wipe... pop,pop,pop.
 

Brad

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Bullets as big as the throat. Cast really soft. Like almost pure lead soft. Roll in abrasive in grease mix, 320 grit silicon carbide is good. Get the abrasive embedded in the bands really well. Load over just enough powder, Titegroup or Trailboss would be good choices, to get clear of the muzzle. Something in the 750 fps is good. Fire at a target so you can be sure bullet exits the bore- a dry berm works as you can see dust kick up. Fire 3-4 then clean well. Really clean the chamber well in particular. Fire another 3-4 and clean even better. Slug and feel for reverse taper going away.
You can always take more off but it can never be put back
Might need 10 rounds, might need 30. Go slow and measure often.
 

Paul Gauthier

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Firelap it. give it 12 rounds, thoroughly clean it then slug it. This should give you and idea of how much lapping it will take to make it right.
 

Kevin Stenberg

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I didn't get a barrel slug from the muzzle end today. Its tomorrows job.
If I firelap the barrel. Will the lapping take about the same amount off of the lands and the gruves? This will be another new experience for me.
 

fiver

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it will open everything.
your basically sanding the barrel open.
once it gets past the tight spot it sands much.much less because the compound has broke down and the slug is smaller.
 

Brad

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And a soft lead lap will not have memory, squeeze it down and it stays squeezed down. Smmeans far less cutting after the tight spots. This is good as you remove tight spots and can have a bit of a tapered bore.
Just don't over do it and end up with a shotgun!
 
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freebullet

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I've wondered if/why the compound couldn't be applied with a patch, prior to shooting, help avoid it going through the chamber/ throat?
 

Kevin Stenberg

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I redid bore slug on both muzzle and chamber ends, as well as I did a chamber cast.
The chamber slug was .4555 on both bullets. The muzzle slug is .4565
The chamber cast was as follows. The case mouth measures .582 OD, the lead is a .059 long taper that ends at .4555. The gruves start immediately at the end of the lead. And the gruves are not tapered. They actually have a flat at there start.
I am still under the assumption I have to firelap. To get both front and back bore measurements closer. What difference should I be trying for?
I have a .452 sizer and those bullets are too small they can't be held solidly in the case. Can I take those bullets PP them up to just above bore dia. and use those for lapping.
My next purchase is going to be a NOE bullet sizer die and a whole bunch of inserts for all of the calibers I load for.
 

Ian

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I'd do what Brad was suggesting, I've done it on several rifles and it's the way to go.

Emery or corundum or whatever the black abrasive in valve grinding compound is is extremely brittle and crushes finer and finer under pressure. It never "wears out", just crushes to such a fine grit in short order that it's polishing more than cutting. This is a good thing because the embedded, soft bullets will cut more at the breech end where the grit is fresh and large, and once past the tight spots the soft lead won't expand much and so won't really remove any metal at the muzzle end until you're nearly done. As you lap, the grit will remove the bluing from the interior of the barrel and that wear will progress toward the muzzle end. What you should watch for very closely is bare metal at the muzzle end as the wear progresses......When you start to see the bluing getting thin within an inch or two of the muzzle, it's time to STOP.

Embed your soft lapping bullets by rolling between two steel plates coated with abrasive paste. Be careful not to make the bands smaller than groove dimension. A grain or two of Dacron, fluffed up between bullet base and powder, will help seal gas behind the bullet when using a very light charge of powder and will help squeegee the bore after every shot so you don't have to patch out but every 3-5 rounds. You may want to clean the chamber EVERY round if you're getting any grit blown in there. Using fired brass, only resized on the very front, just enough to hold the bullet while you chamber it, will minimize grit blowing back into the chamber. The cases you use for fireforming will be trash when you're done, so if you have some old stuff laying around or some mixed range pickups this is the time to use them.
 

Kevin Stenberg

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Thanks Ian I will lap it in the next few days.
So I only need a very lite powder charge. My slowest powders are WC 857 & 860. From there I go to BLC2 IMR 3031 4350 4895 Vargot H4895 Clays BE Promo H322 H 533?? I will probably go with 5-6 grains of either the WC powders and see if the bullet makes it out of the barrel. And go from there. Kevin
 

Brad

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Wrong way. Try a few gr of BE instead. You need a small charge of fast powder to get eat the bullet out of the muzzle. Using a few gr of WC 860 is a recipe for disaster.
Maybe start around 5 gr of BE and see if the bullets exit the muzzle. Load just one round and fire it. Make sure the bullet exits before loading more.
Like Ian said, keep the chamber clean. I would wet swab then dry it after every shot. You don't want to scratch the chamber or risk a stuck case.
 

Kevin Stenberg

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Thanks Brad. The BE it will be. Two or 3 shots without lapping comp. to make sure the bullets exit the barrel. Then I will start the lapping job.