Remingtons 360 Buckhammer

[JWFilips]

We Here in PA, surprisingly have a pretty sizable elk population in the western part of the state & we are allowed to hunt them with the proper tags.
They are an indigenous species to PA. They were hunted pretty much to extinction in the state by the late 1800's.
An interesting factoid: the Pennsylvania Indians had a name for them , "Moos" & this led to most early history chroniclers calling them "Moose" where in the 1700's settlers saw large herds of them covering the tops of the mountains around my area that mistakenly gave them the name "Moosic Mountains" also "Moosic Lake' to name a few! What they failed to understand is the Indian word "Moos" actually meant large hoofed deer!
This fault in all our early history books of the area always plagued me!
Moose on top of mountains??? More like down in swampy valleys!!!!
Also if you go 30 minutes north of me the mountains are called "Elk Mountain and other things, like Elk Lake!

I did research and talked to actual Native American descendants who cleared it up for me .
Of course I tried to tell the local historical societies ( very unsuccessfully!)
I hate when history gets distorted to this extreme!

 

[fiver]

the word Elk itself is from the word Alk which means Moose in Scandinavia.

they didn't have a word for Elk since there ain't none there.

 

[RBHarter]

Eronka ...... Inuit for honker or Canada goose/geese so named most likely for the sound they make . I probably spelled it wrong .
Elk generally make shrillish muhooo-hoocg-hoocg kind of sound ......moos hard S ssh sort of makes sense when paired with Eskimo being a definitive of a man vs bear meaning fish eater .

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

 

[Jeff H]

Whoaa!

"Core-Lokt??"

Now, I wonder how many new to the "game" see that bullet's name and think it's some new, whiz-bang, boutique bullet constructed of metals with made-up names and some kind of hyper-innovative technology forming them into a homogeneous mass, which expands (yet holds together) at anything between 4,061 and 900 fps?

If so, that could work to Remington's favor. The more things I THINK I don't like about this new round, the more I realize I DO like about it.

Too bad the Mossberg 464 was discontinued. I'd actually thought about getting one, just to have a repeater handy in a cartridge I support (30/30), and I could have afforded it. I think I could have run with this one. A repeater in a practical cartridge and bore (for MY needs/circumstances), which could be pressed into personal defense if necessary, legal/viable deer rifle where I live, already have stuff to accommodate the bore size, limited powders on hand would be suitable, effective (without extended effort) using cast bullets, could probably (hopefully) repurpose 30/30 cases that developed split necks,...

Does NOT require special, fancy, EXPENSIVE bullets to live up to its promises.... Core-Lokts! I like those! I used to buy bags of a hundred, cheap, for the 308 and 257 Roberts.

 

[richhodg66]

As for .35s and der hunting, the first buck I ever killed was with a Marlin waffle top in .35 Remington, using Corelokts. Been a while, but it seems the load was 35 grains of IMR3031.

Honestly, once you've stepped above .30 caliber, I just can't see using a jacketed bullet for deer anymore. Cast works so well and there are quite a few good designs for hunting.

 

[RBHarter]

I can almost hear the 2300 fps 158 SWC hot rod braggery now .

 

[Glaciers]

If I can’t get it done with a 357, 35 rem, 358 or the mighty 35 Whelen I’ll just have to pull out a “big one”. Just don’t find an itch for a 360 BH or a 350 L. Certainly don’t have the need especially while I’m neglecting the other guns I already have.
Just glad I don’t have to deal with weird restrictions on guns or cartridges.

 

[Jeff H]

.... don’t have the need especially while I’m neglecting the other guns I already have......

Yeah, I have to keep reminding myself that I'm "on a program" to correct that situation and I'm almost there.

When I stopped spending more time shopping for, finding, fitting, installing all the various bits I needed to make what seemed like a great deal WORK for me and FIT me, I had a lot more time to spend on a handful of what I always really wanted, and none of it was any kind of expensive "dream gun" one would expect.

This is actually how the 35 caliber came to be something of a standard for me. It may not be perfect for each and every situation, but sure does cover a LOT of ground. @Glen has an article on LASC along that vein with A Bullet for All Seasons, I think. Of course there are other articles of that general line, all of which I ignored for decades, until I got onto this myself.

THIS cartridge IS a "compromise cartridge," to an extent and for most people, but I do enjoy working with/around such challenges. If I ever were to buy/chamber a rifle for this cartridge, I'd only ever shoot cast in it anyway, which is one of the reasons I've gravitated to the 35s. I've actually found the little 357 Mag to be the perfect combination of compromises for me/my situation, though I cheat a little by having a 357 MAX barrel too.

NOW, I've been aching for a 38-55/375W for some time now, which I don't NEED, but it would be cool, without perverting my process TOO much, meaning it wouldn't be TOO hypocritical to add a barrel, dies, moulds, brass (OH - covered! I shoot the 30/30),... Rabbit hole, none the less. BUT, I DO have a brand new Williams receiver sight which needs a barrel....

I could rationalize, more easily, adding a barrel in the 360 WIEZENHEIMER (I HATE the names they give these things) more easily IF it's "safe" to mount o a Cotender frame. It would be fully as unnecessary and superfluous to my NEEDS as a 38-55, but could scratch the 38-55 itch for less cash and clutter. I'm seeing it as a little brother to the 38-55, which would still be very useful.

Daydreams, I guess. Something to work the brain on something positive to give it (the brain) a break from working on serious problems all the time, so please don't mistake these ramblings for wisdom.

But, yeah, DANGIT! Less production time/attention paid to stuff we already have and need stuff for.

I'm not going to run out and spend $400 on another new barrel, but if someone else does, and gets bored with a 24" Contender (of possible) barrel chambered in this round and is willing to make it cheap enough to find its way under my cheap, old bastard threshold, I'm not promising I wouldn't stick a toe in that water. It would be cool, but I'll live comfortably without it.

 

[Glaciers]

Years ago, maybe 20 years ago, I purged my collection of certain calibers. Trying not to expand from that idea. I’m failing that, but somewhat controlled.
I’ve purged the 38-40, 32-20, 32-40, 375 Win, 405, and others.
Interested in 2 for the AR 15 calibers the 25-45 & 7.62x39.

 

[RBHarter]

7.62x39 ....... In an AR ..... Do a 30 Herritt on 6.8 or 22 NOS brass use 6.8 mags . I think the only change from from 223 mags is the follower . Gains over the x39 are .308 dia and no curved mags . Going with the 22 NOS brass you keep the 223 bolt also . Last you get a x39 AI .

 

[RicinYakima]

Five or so years ago I got a Colt Sporter Lightweight in 7.62 X 39. There was lot of ammo in my storage unit and I don't shoot that much thru the CZ American. After changing out the collapsible stock for an A2 it actually became a nice rifle. My son has a heavy barrel Grendel and we can swap out 10 round mags back and forth if he is going out training with the SWAT guys. 10 round magazines are just fine with me.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

 

[Rushcreek]

I don’t need one either, but it would be fun.
It seems that the pressure level of the factory ammo will keep me from doing a stub/sleeved single shot for it, but maybe convert a small ring Mauser to .360BH…..
IF .360 brass can be formed from 30-30 brass.

 

[L Ross]

Starline makes .375 Win. brass. I was going to get some to make .357 Herretts when I came across another 3 lb. coffee can of .30-30 brass. Wouldn't .375 Win. make easy .360 BH brass?

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

Starline makes .375 Win. brass. I was going to get some to make .357 Herretts when I came across another 3 lb. coffee can of .30-30 brass. Wouldn't .375 Win. make easy .360 BH brass?

It should and include a safety margin as it is thicker heavier then 30/30.

Midway has nickel in stock buck a piece tho..

 

[358156 hp]

I can almost hear the 2300 fps 158 SWC hot rod braggery now .

Followed by "that danged 360 ain't no damn good for deer! Why, I loaded mine with holla point bullets from a 357 MAGNUM, and that danged bullet didn't penetrate worth a lick. It just made a big hole, then it musta bounced off'n that danged deer. I had to cut a tree branch off'n a sycamore to finish that pore deer off!"

This is eerily close to an actual conversation I excused myself from several years back.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I have a bunch of 307 & 356 Brass. Wonder how that would be?

Maybe I can make 375 win from it?

 

[Jeff H]

I have a bunch of 307 & 356 Brass. Wonder how that would be?

Maybe I can make 375 win from it?

The 307 and 356 are a fair bit larger at the web though. Not sure I'd be up for sizing that much.

Those are more cases which have taken a back seat,... what am I saying? Those two got stuck in the trunk! Along with a lot of other useful, viable cartridges. They too became somewhat "superfluous" in that they ended up serving a small niche market.

I think that whatever a guy does, if he invests in this cartridge/rifle, it would serve him well to buy at least 1k cases right up front and add more as it is available/his budget allows. Whether one can make new brass from 30/30 would be a major consideration. This was the one last thing which saved me from getting into the 350L. I'm still tempted to make a CZ 527 in 35, but the budget thing stymies those daydreams effectively enough.

I'm not poking holes or criticizing, just thinking out loud. The whole circular exercise of mulling over what we could make out of which case is good for the brain, even when we double back on ourselves and those who've come before us. Promotes critical thinking skills.