CWLONGSHOT
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I need to look at drawings i remember rims same cause I used 30/30 extractors in the H&R's I made in 307/356.
Remingtons 360 Buckhammer
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Yes, the rims were made to match the 30/30 for the bolt-face, but the body of the 30/30 is .4195" and the 307/356 are .4703", .200" from the base, like the .308 case.
CWLONGSHOT
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OK just popped into my head without drawings to check. I remembered like rim diameters.
Well fudge... It dont eat anything sittin on the shelf.
CW
Well fudge... It dont eat anything sittin on the shelf.
CW
BUT, if the 360 BH doesn't work out for someone, maybe a rechamber to 356 would?
I don't know how 50kpsi for the BH compares to 52kcuo in the slightly larger case though.
CWLONGSHOT
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CWLONGSHOT
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I see that SSK is already offering Contender barrels for this cartridge. I guess t hat answers my question about 50kpsi with that base diameter. I half suspected to see it show up on MGM's "G-2-only" list, but if it's OK for the original Contender, this makes it a tad harder for me to ignore it.
Missed the boat on Starline 30/30 brass - now "out of stock/no back-order," as I dallied, trying to decided to spend a hundred bucks on 250 new 357 Mag cases, 250 222 cases or 250 30/30 cases. Once I get my stock of 30/30 cases to where I am confident I'll never have to buy new ones again, this would be a source of brass if this new cartridge fizzles.
The 357 Max, as great a cartridge but it is has had me on edge a couple times. While it IS available at this moment, I am surprised and disappointed that it hasn't sold out already. Why disappointed? I wonder if it's becoming even less popular now because of the new kids on the block. Will it really eventually go away? The solution would be to invest in more brass, but that brass can only be used for that application and is more expensive than 30/30 brass. And, I don't shoot it much. Actually, this "new" barrel (bought it three or four years ago) has yet to be fired. I've not shot a Max in a while. BUT, if I buy a set of 360 BH dies NOW, and set them back, if the Max brass becomes extinct and I run out, I could have that barrel reamed to 360 BH and use 30/30 brass...
These are the logistical projection gyrations my brain does (involuntarily) every time this thread pops back up.
The 38-55 with no optics idea has sort of died on the vine now, because this one (speaking of numbers) is really just a mini-38-55 and I already have moulds, powders, etc.
One more logistical projection gyration - I still keep a 30/30 in my battery, because it's just such a lovely little cartridge, eminently useful and versatile, etc., and it uses large rifle primers. It is currently the only firearm I own which uses large rifle primers. That is just another basket to keep some of my eggs in. One day I may run out of small rifle and small psitol primers but still have or be able to find large primers. One of the rationalizations I use to justify keeping a 44 Special around too.
Missed the boat on Starline 30/30 brass - now "out of stock/no back-order," as I dallied, trying to decided to spend a hundred bucks on 250 new 357 Mag cases, 250 222 cases or 250 30/30 cases. Once I get my stock of 30/30 cases to where I am confident I'll never have to buy new ones again, this would be a source of brass if this new cartridge fizzles.
The 357 Max, as great a cartridge but it is has had me on edge a couple times. While it IS available at this moment, I am surprised and disappointed that it hasn't sold out already. Why disappointed? I wonder if it's becoming even less popular now because of the new kids on the block. Will it really eventually go away? The solution would be to invest in more brass, but that brass can only be used for that application and is more expensive than 30/30 brass. And, I don't shoot it much. Actually, this "new" barrel (bought it three or four years ago) has yet to be fired. I've not shot a Max in a while. BUT, if I buy a set of 360 BH dies NOW, and set them back, if the Max brass becomes extinct and I run out, I could have that barrel reamed to 360 BH and use 30/30 brass...
These are the logistical projection gyrations my brain does (involuntarily) every time this thread pops back up.
The 38-55 with no optics idea has sort of died on the vine now, because this one (speaking of numbers) is really just a mini-38-55 and I already have moulds, powders, etc.
One more logistical projection gyration - I still keep a 30/30 in my battery, because it's just such a lovely little cartridge, eminently useful and versatile, etc., and it uses large rifle primers. It is currently the only firearm I own which uses large rifle primers. That is just another basket to keep some of my eggs in. One day I may run out of small rifle and small psitol primers but still have or be able to find large primers. One of the rationalizations I use to justify keeping a 44 Special around too.
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todd
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If you have two are they abacai?
There was once a day when the quest for improved cartridge performance was the fuel for new cartridge / firearm sales.
Now it is done by lawmakers , many of which don't even own a firearm and as far as improved performance is concerned, .........good luck.
Ben
Now it is done by lawmakers , many of which don't even own a firearm and as far as improved performance is concerned, .........good luck.
Ben
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KeithB
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Yes, but on the other hand there seem to be more options for a lot of hunting activities than there used to be. Here in Indiana for years deer hunting was a shotgun only propositon. Now there are options for using handguns and handgun caliber rifles. Not perfect I admit but better.
Yes - the same for Ohio. It was rifled slugs or muzzle loaders only for a long, long time.
This was not for no reason either, as over half the state is dead-flat and fairly densely populated. You can hunt varmints with whatever you want, but once-a-year "hunters" don't hunt varmints. The kooks that run loose during deer gun season are abundant. In many of the public hunting areas, the hunter-population is very dense,... (yeah, you could take that either way) as well.
Even if we were allowed to hunt with flatter-shooting rifles in Ohio, I wouldn't do it. I'm not risking sending a robust projectile forth with nothing but a deer as a back stop out here. I've never been a fan of really powerful rifles, deferring to things like the 257 Roberts, 6.5x55, 7x57, but even those would be too much to send off from a standing position. From a 'stand? OK, but at those distances, even those are over-kill. If you're shooting where there is enough terrain to use as a backstop, a 400 to 600 yard rifle is unnecessary.
4kfps varmint bullets? Much lighter, much more fragile and usually the shot is a downward angle, or only a foot off the ground, firing from prone. MANY fewer and MUCH more contemplative shots taken.
I was happy to have deer season open to handguns, and then rifles in "handgun cartridges." Since this rule was first conceived, refinements have been made to allow other cartridges which performed along the same basic vein as "handgun cartridges," so I can't complain. I've honestly never talked to another Ohio resident deer hunter who had a major gripe with the law. They may be out there, but I don't get out much. Maybe a small local show per year and there are guys looking for guns they can use without seeming very bothered that they can't use something else.
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CWLONGSHOT
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Yesterday, Manson Reamers had three 360 Buck Hammer Reamers in Stock. First was Sold to Mike Bellum in Missouri.
CW
CW
50kpsi for the BH.
The Handi was chambered for the 243 Winchester, with a significantly larger case head over which to apply the pressure, is 60kpsi.
I would think this round is OK in a SB2 Handi.
My concern was similar, but for the Contender, but turns out SSK is already advertising barrels for it.
EDIT: Unless on an SB1 frame, a 357 Mag barrel should be easily rechambered as well. The extractor could even be reshaped. I reshaped a 300 BLK/223 ejector on a 300 BLK I had rebored to 357 Mag. I ground in the radius of the rim for more "purchase" while at it, by dressing a Dremmel cut-off wheel to the right size and using it in the drill-press.
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CWLONGSHOT
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Different ideas on stubbed pressures and whats safe. To reiterate Jeff above.
The 360 is said to run @ 52k much less then 308, 270, 30-06 & 35 whelen. All calibers chambered in SB2 H&R and NEF guns.
Now Toppers generally where low pressure calibers. Limited to 40k ish. The lug isnt attached as well and the steel wasn't as "good".
But a stub is only utalizing the "stub" for that lug and positioning. The barrel and steel used for the new caliber should be such that it can safely handle 52k.
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I see what you are saying, CW.
I think that the back thrust on the breech-face is the problem. On the original Contender, it would handle high pressure .223 but not 22-250 due to the larger “piston”(case head) impinging on the breech-face.
The original Topper rifles (pre- SB1or SB2) were limited to 30-30, .22 Hornet, .44 magnum etc.
So, I am assuming correctly or otherwise that I shouldn’t build a .360BH from a 20/12gauge Topper.
I think that the back thrust on the breech-face is the problem. On the original Contender, it would handle high pressure .223 but not 22-250 due to the larger “piston”(case head) impinging on the breech-face.
The original Topper rifles (pre- SB1or SB2) were limited to 30-30, .22 Hornet, .44 magnum etc.
So, I am assuming correctly or otherwise that I shouldn’t build a .360BH from a 20/12gauge Topper.