Seating Gas Checks

Ben

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Staff member
G/C Seating Tool
Ben's Gas Check Seating Die


For about as long as I can remember ( & I starting reloading in 1965 ), I've had problems seating a g/c on the shank of a bullet squarely. This problem is aggravated by g/c shanks that are a few thousandths of an inch too large.

I've tried about every method and had only partial success. I realized early that the real problem that continued to be the culprit of my g/c seating problems was the ability to achieve perfect coaxial alignment with the center line of the bullet and the gas check that the shank was about to enter.

The different methods that I'd been using just did not have the precision necessary to accomplish the task. Time for a new design and a man that could make it. I contacted Buckshot about my idea that I had for seating gas checks. I asked him if he could make the die to my specs ? His reply was " YES ".

I took a lot of measurements of a .30 cal. Hornady g/c, width, height, etc. and drew a sketch of the exact dimensions that would be necessary for the tool to work properly and sent those drawings to Buckshot. Now it would be a matter of time to pass until the idea would turn into a functioning tool.

My idea was to make a die ( hand operated tool on your bench - - there was to be no reloading press needed ) that is .3120" in it's inside bore. The underside of the die has a recess cut ( tight tolerances....no wiggle room ) for a Hornady .30 cal. gas check.

The die was to be .630 " in height, I felt that was plenty tall enough to accommodate all of the bearing surface ( drive bands ) on any of my .30 cal. cast bullets and keep the main body of the bullet in perfect coaxial alignment with the center line of the bullet and the gas check .

In order for the die to work properly, you'll need ANY .30 cal. cast bullet with any nose style that is 1st sized to a perfect .3110" in diameter. I simply push a .30 cal. cast bullet ( lightly lubed ) through a Lee Bullet sizing die that I have honed to size a bullet EXACTLY .3110 in diameter. This keeps the die and the bullet in tight tolerances with each other and guarantees perfect alignment and seating of the g/c properly.

At this point in time, it is obvious that the die is caliber specific causing one to need a 2nd die cut to very critical tolerances to use it with another caliber.

When I size one of my .30 cal. cast bullets in a Lee Bullet sizing die that I have honed to EXACTLY .3110 " dia., that bullet can be slid with some thumb pressure down the bore of the die.

When a g/c is in place and the .311 cast bullet placed in the bore of the die, all that is left to do is to place your top punch that fits your cast bullet on the nose of the bullet and give a couple of soft taps with a small tack hammer. The g/c is seated perfectly every time. The g/c isn't crimped at this point in time. All you have to do now is pass the g/c'd bullet back through a .311 sizer die , or .310 or .309"...( your choice ) in order to crimp and lock the g/c onto the shank of the bullet.

The beauty of the system is no crooked and cock - eyed looking gas checks anymore. The bullet goes into the gas check with no possibility of mis-alignment ( which had always been the Achilles' Heel of all my other attempts in the past ). In the past, if the bullet entered the g/c just a few degrees out of alignment, you'd always end up with the g/c on the base of the bullet , in a mis-aligned fashion. We all know what this does to accuracy. No more mis-aligned checks now !

Once the g/c is seated onto the g/c shank of the bullet, soft thumb pressure will eject the bullet from the die and you're ready for the next one. It is a quick system and a SUPER ACCURATE system with no mis-alignment.

I know.....You want one, Right ? ?

Well, you'll need to contact Buckshot, the tool was made with my plans and by my specs that I wrote up and provided Buckshot.

I have no interest in making a single penny from any aspect of this endeavor.

If you want one, you need to contact Buckshot .

BTW, I know of no reason why this concept can't be adapted to other calibers, .22, 6mm, .25, .264, 7mm, .35, .44, 45, etc.

I've been waiting for something like this for a LONG TIME !

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Here is the " End Product " :



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It really makes a difference down range..............
I sized my cast bullets in the group that you see below with my .3095" Lee Push thru sizing die after the gas checks were installed with my gas check seating tool.

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Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Well, that is a NICE tool. Shouldn't be extremely difficult to make one on my lathe. I
may put that on my list of "things to make when I get a round tuit".

I have had fairly good results with a mod to a Lyman 45 which was on the machine
when I got it. A previous owner took a piece of flat, hard steel, about .090 think or
maybe a bit less, drilled a close-fitting hole for one of the side rods and then put a very
odd looking homemade, very low force, coil spring on the end overhanging the right side
of the rod - (it is slipped onto the right rod). Normally the spring rotates it out of the way
to the right. To seat a GC, you start it with your fingers, rotate the steel "tabletop" around
so it sits on top of the sizing die, then stand up the bullet with GC, and lower the top punch,
aligning it as it comes down. Press a bit and the GC is seated.

Release the "tabletop" and it swings away to the right, so push in the bullet and lube and
size it.

Nowhere near as precise as your die system, but seems to get them pretty close to square,
and fully seated, at least.

Bill
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
A tool like that would be quite easy to make.

I flare the check to let the bullet sit flat and square in the bottom to get the same result.

Doesn't matter how you get the check on square, just make sure it is. And hopefully you did it without scuffing metal off the check shank on one side.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Ben, how do you differentiate the use for the two tools?
Flare when the check shank is too big and use the other tool for bullets with "normal" size shanks?
 

Ben

Moderator
Staff member
Brad,

Yes, if one of my .30 cal. moulds is producing a shank dia that will allow a g/c to go onto the bullet without shaving lead, I'll use the g/c seating tool.

IF..........the mould produces a bullet where the g/c is larger , I'll use my flare tool to produce a slight " bell " on the g/c to allow it to go onto the shank without upsetting any metal.

I get real good results with both systems. Wish I'd known this 30 years ago !

BTW.....How is that hand ?

Ben
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Hand is healing. I go back in 10 days for X rays and hope to be free from the brace then. Will likely be mid May before I can shoot handguns but I hope to be shooting rifles before that.
I did remove the brace long enough to trim a brisket for smoking last night. Sometimes a guy has to do what he has to do.
 

Missionary

Well-Known Member
Bully Ben ! That is one fine idea. Simple ! No special tools ! Near fool proof ! That could be used on my bench and not cause any consternation !
Thank you for posting this fine idea !
Mike in Peru
 

JSH

Active Member
In effect it is a straight line seater?
Could you put the whole thing in the lube sizer and just use that as a press for the top punch?
I had the same thoughts but to leave the lube sizer die out of the press and make the bottom plate set down into where the die goes, not threaded but with nut in place so as to have square flat base to set on.
Mercy when I get my lathe I will be dangerous. Have thoughts on lube dies and push through sizers. Lol I could be famous and get my name on a magic marker board some place.
Jeff
 

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
Ben,
Super tool! Now you need BS to make one for all your calibers!:rolleyes: That is a precision tool for sure.

In the past my biggest problem was 8 mm gas checks because I needed to fit them on .326" cast as well as a .332" cast; to fit my two "very different bore" Mausers. I have one of Brads flare tools and it works great for both bullet diameters. They get flared enough for the bullet to sit flat on the base of the gas check but yet wrap around the sides nicely when sized either .326" or .331" never before was I able to use the one 8mm check for both size bullets!
But I still do have to rely on the check seating square as it runs up into my Lee pass through sizer dies...... But that seems to work well
Jim
 

Ben

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Staff member
Fellows, I'm glad that you enjoyed it.
I do believe you'd enjoy one of your own.

Ben
 

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
Ben,
Is Buckshot in the business or Will he need more custom measured designs for other calibers?
It may be something he could run with!
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Buckshot tends to do one offs. Tell him what you want and he makes it
 

Brad

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There is a reason he was one of two people I reached out to when buying my lathe.