Shooting shack construction underway!
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fiver
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I don't think you would want to spray it, some of the polymer beads are pretty good size.
I have found the brush is pretty much the best application method if your trying to get it into cracks and the like.
the cutting it first coat helps you get a quick undercoat that flows well [like a primer] and then the second will follow along and fill in better.
the stuff is kind of weird to work with and can go on thick and [see through] thin if you try a single normal coat.
I have found the brush is pretty much the best application method if your trying to get it into cracks and the like.
the cutting it first coat helps you get a quick undercoat that flows well [like a primer] and then the second will follow along and fill in better.
the stuff is kind of weird to work with and can go on thick and [see through] thin if you try a single normal coat.
Ian
Notorious member
Ya, the world could use a few more like Bruce.
The poles are all past the oozing stage and most of the flaking, anything that's coming off of them now is just dust from deterioration and that will be a neverending source of toxins and stench unless I stabilize it or block it. I was hoping to be able to just seal it up somehow without extra layers of wall. I could sheetrock the thing for $50 (less if I snag some from the ever-present scratch/dent stack) but I'd rather just seal the logs inside and out with some kind of coating.
A tin roof under the sod would rust out in a year here unless kept absolutely dry, which is why I plan on using decking, tarpaper, and sheet vinyl under the gravel and dirt. Basically the roof will be like a sloped pan that will hold dirt and moisture but not let any through. Cheap roll flooring vinyl is less expensive than rubber membrane around here and more durable.
The poles are all past the oozing stage and most of the flaking, anything that's coming off of them now is just dust from deterioration and that will be a neverending source of toxins and stench unless I stabilize it or block it. I was hoping to be able to just seal it up somehow without extra layers of wall. I could sheetrock the thing for $50 (less if I snag some from the ever-present scratch/dent stack) but I'd rather just seal the logs inside and out with some kind of coating.
A tin roof under the sod would rust out in a year here unless kept absolutely dry, which is why I plan on using decking, tarpaper, and sheet vinyl under the gravel and dirt. Basically the roof will be like a sloped pan that will hold dirt and moisture but not let any through. Cheap roll flooring vinyl is less expensive than rubber membrane around here and more durable.
Dusty Bannister
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Interesting project going on. I have to wonder about pressure washing the poles/logs to remove the loose stuff, then roll on the coating before you even cut and fit the pieces to get good coverage. Then when you notch and fit, you have a very small area to seal. It might be too late in the project for that at this time though. Hind sight you know.
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I'll give you my 2 cents.
#1- Asphalt shingles are a terrible roofing material in most ways. They are meant to mimic slate or shake roofs in appearance and that's their sole good point IMO. Steel is my preferred choice for any roof with adequate slope. Having to put a roof on a structure every 15-20 years is ridiculous.
#2- I believe there is other life out there. What form that life takes, what intelligence it has, if we'd even recognize it if we saw it...who knows?
#3- I believe there were several major, advanced civilizations pre-dating our "known" history. I have seen a map of the Antarctic landmass that is based, allegedly, on another much older map that is accurate from what our ground penetrating radar tells us today. The last time the Antarctic was ice free enough to have done that type of map was way before known history. So here's another example of us not knowing that we don't know what we don't know. Wow! We have ice core samples that go back 10K years! So what was the earth like 50K years or 150K years ago? That's all speculation. The people studying this stuff were all taught to believe such and such a thing happened. Convincing them that maybe it wasn't what they think is about as likely as my convincing the guy at my church who believes the earth is only 4500 years old because he counted the years up in the Bible that he might be wrong.
#1- Asphalt shingles are a terrible roofing material in most ways. They are meant to mimic slate or shake roofs in appearance and that's their sole good point IMO. Steel is my preferred choice for any roof with adequate slope. Having to put a roof on a structure every 15-20 years is ridiculous.
#2- I believe there is other life out there. What form that life takes, what intelligence it has, if we'd even recognize it if we saw it...who knows?
#3- I believe there were several major, advanced civilizations pre-dating our "known" history. I have seen a map of the Antarctic landmass that is based, allegedly, on another much older map that is accurate from what our ground penetrating radar tells us today. The last time the Antarctic was ice free enough to have done that type of map was way before known history. So here's another example of us not knowing that we don't know what we don't know. Wow! We have ice core samples that go back 10K years! So what was the earth like 50K years or 150K years ago? That's all speculation. The people studying this stuff were all taught to believe such and such a thing happened. Convincing them that maybe it wasn't what they think is about as likely as my convincing the guy at my church who believes the earth is only 4500 years old because he counted the years up in the Bible that he might be wrong.
RBHarter
West Central AR
Science twist on biblical knowledge .
What if a day for God is a billion years for us ?
To believe the pure science answers is to accept the concept that the infinity of space is in a petri dish in a lab refrigerator which means that there is a greater being out there that created all ..........
Even if a God day is "only" 500 million people years that construct alone balances the time lines of science and creation to a graspable degree .
10,000 yr ago there were iceburgs in Martha's vineyard and there were people from Europe in the Americas proven by 8000 yo peet mummies in South Carolina .
Ever wonder how skewed the the data gets by immigration from South Africa checking the African American box .
Ever wonder how many African-Americans are actually Aboriginal Australian-Americans ?
Why are the darkly tanned folks all worked up about slavery , but don't give a rip about all of the lesser tanned Coolies ?
Why do the pro nuclear power pages boot me when I say Hydroelectric is 100% renewable energy if used in tidal bays with a nill carbon track . No dam has ever lived in infamy like Chernobyl , 3 Mile Island or Fukashima will . They have never caused as much lasting and catastrophic damage and they have 100 yr track record .
Talk about getting a bee in my bonnet .......
What if a day for God is a billion years for us ?
To believe the pure science answers is to accept the concept that the infinity of space is in a petri dish in a lab refrigerator which means that there is a greater being out there that created all ..........
Even if a God day is "only" 500 million people years that construct alone balances the time lines of science and creation to a graspable degree .
10,000 yr ago there were iceburgs in Martha's vineyard and there were people from Europe in the Americas proven by 8000 yo peet mummies in South Carolina .
Ever wonder how skewed the the data gets by immigration from South Africa checking the African American box .
Ever wonder how many African-Americans are actually Aboriginal Australian-Americans ?
Why are the darkly tanned folks all worked up about slavery , but don't give a rip about all of the lesser tanned Coolies ?
Why do the pro nuclear power pages boot me when I say Hydroelectric is 100% renewable energy if used in tidal bays with a nill carbon track . No dam has ever lived in infamy like Chernobyl , 3 Mile Island or Fukashima will . They have never caused as much lasting and catastrophic damage and they have 100 yr track record .
Talk about getting a bee in my bonnet .......
fiver
Well-Known Member
is space infinity?
I mean just look at the galaxies formed from the big bang.
they are all moving away from each other [and speeding up] indicating there is more nothing for them to expand into.
if there is more nothing where does the nothing end?
it certainly would have to end where there is something it can't possibly end in more nothing.
I mean just look at the galaxies formed from the big bang.
they are all moving away from each other [and speeding up] indicating there is more nothing for them to expand into.
if there is more nothing where does the nothing end?
it certainly would have to end where there is something it can't possibly end in more nothing.
KeithB
Resident Half Fast Machinist
#1 totally agree
#2 totally agree
#3 quite possible. But I gotta believe that they were built and inhabited by human beings using terrestrial technology.
I look at what is possible vs what is most likely or probable. It's possible that aliens from off planet have visited here and helped cave people build paradise until they all decided one day to evacuate the planet and not leave anything behind except for rocks. Nothing like a platinum bar or a stainless steel machine part or anything that could be considered a plastic/polymer of any sort. Nothing that can't be explained by manpower, diligence, and natural forces. Most of the "unexplained" megalithic building phenomena can be explained by a number of interlocking factors.
1. Initial observations are often wrong or incomplete.
2. Basing scientific conclusions on the observations of people in a pre-scientific world has its own difficulties.
3. Throw in observational bias and disdain based on religious motivation - i.e. those heathens can't possibly be bright enough to build something grand because they don't believe in Yahweh, Jesus or Mohammed, so it has to be aliens...
4. Coincidence is mistaken as corroboration.
I know there are "unexplained" structures and other seeming evidence for alien intervention in our world, but I feel sure that as more understanding and knowledge is attained every one will be explained as having terrestrial origins. Show me a leftover alien gum wrapper or socket wrench or iPhone and I'll believe. Until then I have to believe that my human forefathers were just as bright as we are, they looked at the world in a different way, and they had different motivations and resources to use to reshape nature to their own use.
#2 totally agree
#3 quite possible. But I gotta believe that they were built and inhabited by human beings using terrestrial technology.
I look at what is possible vs what is most likely or probable. It's possible that aliens from off planet have visited here and helped cave people build paradise until they all decided one day to evacuate the planet and not leave anything behind except for rocks. Nothing like a platinum bar or a stainless steel machine part or anything that could be considered a plastic/polymer of any sort. Nothing that can't be explained by manpower, diligence, and natural forces. Most of the "unexplained" megalithic building phenomena can be explained by a number of interlocking factors.
1. Initial observations are often wrong or incomplete.
2. Basing scientific conclusions on the observations of people in a pre-scientific world has its own difficulties.
3. Throw in observational bias and disdain based on religious motivation - i.e. those heathens can't possibly be bright enough to build something grand because they don't believe in Yahweh, Jesus or Mohammed, so it has to be aliens...
4. Coincidence is mistaken as corroboration.
I know there are "unexplained" structures and other seeming evidence for alien intervention in our world, but I feel sure that as more understanding and knowledge is attained every one will be explained as having terrestrial origins. Show me a leftover alien gum wrapper or socket wrench or iPhone and I'll believe. Until then I have to believe that my human forefathers were just as bright as we are, they looked at the world in a different way, and they had different motivations and resources to use to reshape nature to their own use.
One thing we fail to understand is the concept of time. Many of the ancient structures were built over years if not decades.
We tend to think of construction on a modern time scale where building a temple should take a year or two. In ancient times it might be built over a lifetime. Or more.
We tend to think of construction on a modern time scale where building a temple should take a year or two. In ancient times it might be built over a lifetime. Or more.
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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
RBHarter said, "What if a day for God is a billion years for us ?"
Been thinking about the time span of God's day for many years.
Infinity: Easier for me to imagine time and space never ending, then it is to imagine that they didn't have a starting point.
Been thinking about the time span of God's day for many years.
Infinity: Easier for me to imagine time and space never ending, then it is to imagine that they didn't have a starting point.
fiver
Well-Known Member
time is just a measurement of distance it isn't a real thing.
everything has a finite life, even the stars and the star factory's, eventually our sun is just gonna be a ball of cold iron floating around in the dark.
double that amount of useable energy and you have a bigger brighter light that will only last a little longer before the same fate befalls it.
as before,, everything will be cold and dark again.
not really nothing because there is something there just a lot less than before.
everything has a finite life, even the stars and the star factory's, eventually our sun is just gonna be a ball of cold iron floating around in the dark.
double that amount of useable energy and you have a bigger brighter light that will only last a little longer before the same fate befalls it.
as before,, everything will be cold and dark again.
not really nothing because there is something there just a lot less than before.
What if a day for God is a billion years for us ? Or if a 'day' is just a period of time? Passed down by oral 'tradition' that was converted to a 'day'. Time is really only relavant to us anyway. Took 20yrs for our probe to go past the solar system - seems boring to me. Nuclear 'jets' work but to carry enough fuel of any kind for a long trip is preposterous. Gravitational fields/space 'winds' is the problem for navigation.
I suspect you'd need to pressure wash the inside first to get the crud off before sealing. I've found acrylic latex primer is pretty good for penetrating and adhesion. 'Lean-to' roof and unchinked walls would let enough ventilation unless you use it for 'living space'. Gonna have a wasp problem there anyway.
I suspect you'd need to pressure wash the inside first to get the crud off before sealing. I've found acrylic latex primer is pretty good for penetrating and adhesion. 'Lean-to' roof and unchinked walls would let enough ventilation unless you use it for 'living space'. Gonna have a wasp problem there anyway.
Pistolero
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Hmm. Asphalt shingles are inexpensive, far more fire resistant than shakes, last for 20-30 years in normal service
and are easily installed. I see them as a pretty solid solution to the problem of affordable, durable roofing. There
are good reasons why something like 90-98% of homes have them on the roof.
It seems reasonable that there could be other life.....but no evidence, and maybe this life stuff is harder to do
than we think.
and are easily installed. I see them as a pretty solid solution to the problem of affordable, durable roofing. There
are good reasons why something like 90-98% of homes have them on the roof.
It seems reasonable that there could be other life.....but no evidence, and maybe this life stuff is harder to do
than we think.
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freebullet
Guest
Latex is mold food, plain & simple. Using it outdoors is pointless. It probably won't bond to the creasote. I would say an oil base product is needed.
Sheet flooring...have 1500+$ in equipment to scrape that crap up. It's paper on the back..one tiny pinhole..trapped water....Mold, delam, peeling. The surface is usually vinyl. Will eventually mold to.
6mil plastic is cheap, 80$ for a 2000 sqft roll. That gives you 20 layers in one roll. Figure 3-5 years per layer. 20-33 layers would net you a 100 year seal. It doesn't turn to mold as it degrades.
Who says or proved we aren't the aliens from somewhere else?
Sheet flooring...have 1500+$ in equipment to scrape that crap up. It's paper on the back..one tiny pinhole..trapped water....Mold, delam, peeling. The surface is usually vinyl. Will eventually mold to.
6mil plastic is cheap, 80$ for a 2000 sqft roll. That gives you 20 layers in one roll. Figure 3-5 years per layer. 20-33 layers would net you a 100 year seal. It doesn't turn to mold as it degrades.
Who says or proved we aren't the aliens from somewhere else?
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
There has actually been a complaint lodged? I think that person should realize we're speaking in terms of responsibility/creativity and not in terms of a belief. If I say "God" might be an alien that should put it over into the realm of science or at least scifi. Trying to comprehend something beyond our comprehension is always fun, if not worthwhile. Whatever the worth of the discussion, it comes down to a vast unknown number of unknowns caused something to happen at some point way, way back when...or at least we think it did. Where or what caused the matter that was to be there in the first place...well, most people get glassy eyed when you try to mess with thoughts about that.