So might "need" a couple revolvers....

CWLONGSHOT

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I have wanted a cartritage Remington 1858 like Angel Eyes (Lee VanClief)
Pop wants the "Snake gun" that Eastwood had in those No Name movies.

I have a buddy who has a sheriff version of the 1858 in 44/40. He offered for very good price. I havent had a 44/40 in a while. I do have a mold brass and dies already.

The 1872 is a 38 Sol
So that one is no biggie.

Any one have either/both these?

CW
 

Michael

Active Member. Uh/What
Hmmm, nope but I do have some 44-40 brass that I found while unpacking. IIRC 50 rounds virgin WW and something in the neighborhood of 60-70 rounds of once fired WW.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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Or did Lee have a 1875?? Now I need watch again. Im
Thinking thats actually what he had not the '58 conversion.
 

Walks

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I've had the Cimarron versions of both.
There's a full cartridge conversion of the 1858 that they make. Don't know about bbl length. But the 1851/.38Spl has a ejection rod that detaches from the loading plunger to push out empties. And still maintains the looks of the old 1851.
 

Snakeoil

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You cana buy cylinders that have end plates with little firing pins on each chamber to put into a C&B revolver with no other mods. Pain to reload, but an easy way to convert a C&B pistol. Might be illegal where you are.
 

Walks

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Those conversion cylinders need a revolver made post 2005, and needs to match the brand of revolver. Uberti for Uberti and Pietta for Pietta.
 
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Petrol & Powder

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I have wanted a cartritage Remington 1858 like Angel Eyes (Lee VanClief)
Pop wants the "Snake gun" that Eastwood had in those No Name movies.
I have watched all of those spaghetti western movies several times. I always get a kick out of the final scene in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly when they show the close up of the rig used by Angel Eyes (Lee Van Cleef, or "The Bad"). He clearly has a cap & ball revolver (that occasionally has caps in place during the movie and occasionaly doesn't) but the belt has cartridge loops with cartridges.

Oh well. it's Hollywood,..... sort of.

Still a great movie.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I have a couple of 58's , a 60 , and a Dragoon. I liked them fine aside from the reload times I actually don't care much for the 60 but it is there .

My understanding of the cartridge conversions .
The cylinder with the firing pins is still a C&B .
The cartridge conversion with a true cartridge cylinder and a loading NOTCH typically located about 4:00 on the right side is still a C&B .
The 1875 and any alterations that fit a loading GATE to the arm , any of the pre 1873 Colts and the pre 1875 Remingtons (clones because a pre 1899 isn't ) are now and or manufactured as real guns .

I owned once a grey area arm . It was an 1873 SAA with a gate complete with the 4 clicks and the second notch gate release that was manufactured as a C&B . I had it about a year and tried really hard to love it ........I just couldn't do it . I never even figured out what I didn't like about it .....

Back on track , measure whatever you do my brass 58 44 Army has a .426 bore and .440 groove . Not really suitable for either a 44-40 or a 45 Colts , even if it were a steel frame .
The 58 in 36 cal would make a lousy 38 Special but an acceptable 38 Short or Long with a .35?×.361 barrel . Both 58's are Piettas
The Dragoon follows but is closer to a .445 groove with .448- chambers , it's a 70's vintage ASM .
The 60 Colts is doomed to just sit around looking good as it's missing a couple of parts and ASM isn't around anymore. Unfortunately mix and match doesn't work so I hold out to find a parts gun or some one that needs my parts more than I do . It does have a .450 groove and .450+ chambers .

The Italians are all under the Beretta roof now so there is some hope that parts and dealer services will continue for a good long time .

I know a little more like axle to barrel shimming for proper fit and cylinder gap . Not really important now so that's about it .
 

CWLONGSHOT

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I went yesterday to the dealer who has a good supply if these Italian copies.

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They have had this "snake gun" for some time but where sold out yesterday. But they had 5 1875's three new guns and two used. One 45 8" and two 5.5" one in 44/40 and other 45. Both used was 8" and 45 Colt.
I passed on all the new guns and turned to the used. First was a case hard blued jobber. It wore a ring around its cylinder... it was glitchy in hand cycling. Timing is on, but "late" Id bet a bunch the previous owner was a fanner...
The last was a Nickel gun 45 and as new condition. I pulled cyl and while it was shot and dirty, it has not seen allot of rounds. Barrel is clean with powder residue. Blast shield was covered with soot. But timing is spot on and no marks anywhere on gun. Price was 175 less then new. I offered and was accepted a better price and left deposit. End of this or next month Ill pickup.

Hopefully they will find the Man with no name gun and I can PU both.

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Walks

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I've had a Blue/CCH for about 20yrs. It has never failed to lock up tight, no matter how fast I shot it. And it absolutely LOVES My Cowboy load in .45Colt, that Lee #452-230-TC over Clays. I have a pair of bright stainless old Vaquero's - 7 1/2" bbl's. That shine can be a bit of a problem on Days of bright sunshine. But I wouldn't let that deter me from buying a bright nickel or polished stainless revolver. :):cool:
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
That's gorgous, CW. Nice find!

One of the pawnshops in town is a BIG Uberti stocking dealer. I have a hankering for one of the repro S&W top-breaks in an original caliber--45 S&W with Schofield latch would be perfect, and a 44/40 (which was an original caliber, per SCS&W) would be good as well. If there are any in the known world, they have yet to grace this store's shelves. There was a 44 Russian, but that hook on the trigger guard looks semi-lethal, and the yellow metal is a Superfly indulgence that is a bridge too far.

Still also waiting on the 6" Python. Patience is a virtue I am not over-burdened by.
 

fiver

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yep i remember seeing them offered in the magazines back in the early 90's.

you know i vaguely remember Ruger offering something like CW pictures.
maybe it was actually their Black powder gun?
 

CWLONGSHOT

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yep i remember seeing them offered in the magazines back in the early 90's.

you know i vaguely remember Ruger offering something like CW pictures.
maybe it was actually their Black powder gun?
Yes, there"OLD ARMY" is a loose Remington 1858 copy.

I always thought Id like one. Never did buy it.

CW
 

Snakeoil

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Yes, there"OLD ARMY" is a loose Remington 1858 copy.

I always thought Id like one. Never did buy it.

CW