Sta-Ball 6.5

fiver

Well-Known Member
no those numbers are for the 2230 powder in the 30-06 case in the Garand rifle.

the 308 would use a lot less.
it would use a 150gr bullet and 39 to 43.5 grs.
or a 165-170 with 38 to 42 grs.
jacketed of course.

compare those to the medium burn speed IMR type powders to get an idea of it's real burn rate.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
Largely I was behind the statements on these "new" powders. But new loaders are in or moving into the drivers seat. Calibers like the Creedmore are proof and results of that. So seeing a new powder catering to that is a marketing move.
BUT its becoming more as its over shadowing our tried & true powders. There new "ENDURON" powders are going to exlipse out favorite IMR powders just watch.

Join now or be overtaken & eventually become snuffed out. any great powders are gone but twice as many new ones come out.

I have tried a couple "new" powders & EVERY ONE has been an improvement I only resist now because I do have old stock to use up first.

I wanted to try Sta-BALL when I first learned about it. This kid @ Ultimate Reloading on Utube doses a nice job in a video about it.


I grabbed a couple pounds to try. Its been in the magazine for some six months now. I want to try it soon.

My arm was twisted HARD to just try TAC few years ago. Now today I wont shoot anything else in my 358 Winchester.

I moved to PowerPistol in my 40 competition loads. It is clean miserly fast & accurate.

i just started with LeverEvolution in the 35 Rem and Im impressed first ladder ONLY SHOWED velocity changes... ALL LOADS SHOT TOUCHING HOLES @ 100!! WITH impressive velocity approaching 2200!!! I am accuracy driven velocities dont impress me but if I get accuracy WITH velocity that carries energy & Im on board with that!

CW
 
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fiver

Well-Known Member
chuckle.
well believe it or no.
BUT,,,, yeah, most of the old powders going away at some point is a new green world reality.
we have already lost some of them [they just stuck around under the old name after being changed]
the hand writing is on the wall we just haven't seen it translate to the shelves yet.

they would already have changed over to nothing but the new, but the sales [and profusion of reloading data] of the old traditional stuff is keeping it parked front and center for now.
 

Rockydoc

Well-Known Member
Sta-Ball,
Apparently heretofore ball powders have not been very temperature stable. This new powder is a ball powder that has the temperature insensitivity of Enduron and such.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I bought a pound of CFE Pistol about 5 months ago, and used it with some 45 ACP/185 JHP loads in the 1000 FPS ballpark. I also tried the fuel in some H&G #68 plagiarisms (by Lee) of 200 grain heft at 900 FPS. Both loads ran as well as any similar loads prompted by WW-231 or Bullseye. The 185s will get the nod for my annual CCW quals on 5/1 this year. The SIG P-220 and the S&W 625 will do the honors.

As I get older, I get more and more resistant to change. That tendency is exacerbated when that change accomplishes little (if any) gain and effectively limits the utility of existing, established norms and folkways. Change for the sake of change is madness.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I typed 4 paragraphs relating to "Join now or be over taken and eventually snuffed out", and mentally mumbled a profanity and deleted it all.
I dont say it from the "other side". I am no noob I still use some powders from cardboard tubes!! ;) :p :)

Im just making predictions as much as I dont like them either.

CW
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I gave away 8# of American Select last fall as a wedding gift. Didn’t need it.

I inherited roughly 12# of Titegroup from Paul. That is one hell of a lot of shooting.
 

JustJim

Well-Known Member
Thanks to all for the notes about using 2230 in the '06. I've been contemplating a 22 centerfire just to use up a stash of 2230; after digging out my AA manual #1, it looks like I can get by with 2230 for most of my 30 cal jacketed usage for the foreseeable future. That will leave the IMR powders for the Krags and 9.3x62, and BP for the "new" 50-70.

Waco, if it helps any, the last time I made the trip it was about 26 hours Lincoln NE to Eugene OR.
 

Ian

Notorious member
The new generations of powder do seem to be a bit improved, at the least if you believe the hype and at most if you prove it to yourself like CW. My issue is that it takes decades of handloading and shooting to really get to know the personality of a powder and the new stuff is like meeting a stranger. When someone says "Unique" or "IMR 4350" we have a very deep understanding of what is meant, but "4166", not so much.
 

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
current conditions tend to make me less hesitant to get what I can. Hence the 2230 and StaBall 6.5.. Not thrilled about it, but... And I also recently stashed a bunch of VERY old Unique and 231. And, when went back yesterday to get more 6.5 and 2230 - they were out - BUT! They DID have 1 lb ea of 2400 (I have a bunch) AND BE (I have a good bit). And I KNOW THOSE will never go to waste, so they came home! And in the process of the visits/getting powder, added 800 cnt 55 grn 223 pills.

NOW I gotta get more primers!
 

L Ross

Well-Known Member
As the Director of Crime Prevention for the last four years of my first stint as an LEO, I tried to visualize scenarios of criminals taking advantage of the good citizens, and even of their fellow vermin. My constituents, the women in particular, often remarked, "Oh Duke, how do you think of those things?" I tried to explain you cannot reduce your vulnerability is you cannot anticipate the actions of your adversary.

I regards to the exercise of our 2nd Amendment Rights, I severely mistrust the motives of human beings with any agenda other that good old greed and profit as motivators. Sadly, people with a political agenda are smart and devious as they are committed. They take advantage of any vulnerability. I view the demise of Remington at the hands of Cerebrus as just such a situation. Furthermore, I must ask myself if the current aggregation of our ammunition supply into fewer but larger hands is not applauded by the foes of a free armed citizenry. I'll bet the "Corn Pop Cadre" enjoys seeing a mega conglomerate holding most of the ammo and reloading supplies under one management and being able to remind that management that they are beholding to government orders and contracts for billions of their dollars.

Then I look at the proliferation of powders I have never heard of, did not need, or want. I feel that diversity of blends and models of these powders reduces the manufacturer's ability to concentrate on pure production. It would have to make sense in today's market to run off maximum lots of a few tried and true powders rather than running around with their hair on fire making a zillion boutique new numbers to satisfy the new age bean counters up in advertising.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
The powder thing is about environmental law where the powders are being manufactured . It has to do with the wash off solvents at the end and eliminating them .