T/C Super 14, 30-30 to the range !

James W. Miner

James W. Miner

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I wanted to hunt deer with my pistols but 7mm bullets did not expand right so I wanted 120 gr SSP but rifling is wrong since mine are made for heavy steel slammers at 200 merters. Nothing worked in the 7BR or 7R. Shotgun!. I had Varget so I called Hodgdon and they laughed at me. I worked it and got to 1/2" at 50.
Crazy slow powder giving me 2175 FPS from the 10" Moa and 1/2" groups.
Why in the hell do you use Bullseye? The 7R works the same with Varget. The 7BR takes 32.5 gr and the 7R takes 34.5 with the 120 gr SSP bullet.
Try it in the 30-30. I don't have mine now so can't tell a load. You will not find one for a pistol.
 
Ian

Ian

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Because paper doesn't take much killing.

There are endless "good" combinations of peak pressure, powder burn rate, and alloy composition for a given purpose, just pick the purpose and work toward that. BE smacks things HARD, so supporting the bullet during launch is key to good groups. Slower powder may be more forgiving and yield better results, or you may have ignition and burn consistency issues. It's all a balance.
 
RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
Same reason a case full of 4350 gets 2100 fps in a 358 Win 220 gr and shoots 4 touching 3 overlapped and a pull but shotguns with with Ideal for cartridge loads .... bydunno. :) .

I have a 30-30 why a full case of 4831 or 4350 shoots like crap and a half case of 4198 shoots 5 touching is a mystery.

The biggest reason for shooting BE,RD, Unique and all of the others is that we get the same or very close to the same numbers with half the powder charge sometimes much less.
45 Colts 9.0 Unique 1180 fps 454424 257gr dead hog at 1,17 and 47 yd.
45 Colts 19 H110 1280 fps 454 257 gr same dead hogs ,same 2" groups ,200 fps fast but I get over 2 to 1 loads with Unique and it's $3-5 lb less ,so I get a 10-15 yd loss of range but I get 120 powder charges of Unique for the same price as 50 H110 . Why burn 30 gr of 4350 or 19 gr 4198 to get the same paper results as 5 gr of BE?
 
Ian

Ian

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EDIT RBH beat me to it.....


Varget works in the .30-30 because case volume is small and the typical bullet is heavy enough to provide adequate resistance for good ignition...in combination with the small case/high loading density. Slow powder = gentler shove into the rifling and more time for the bullet to wiggle around and find center so it gets a straighter start if the fit or alloy isn't perfect. In bigger cases this can be a problem because the gentle start is mitigated by erratic burn time of slow powder in a big space. Fiver and Josh know about loading a case full of 4831 in .30-30 too, and I've done it a bit as well, good for about 1850 fps with a standard primer and a solid crimp. Dirty as heck but with slight compression in the case and a 170-grain bullet it lights right and gives a SLOOOW push which helps the bullet get started straight. Peak pressure is delayed until the bullet has made its way a few inches into the barrel and is relatively safe from pressure damage.
 
RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
I've heard of a few guns that were down right persnickity about stuff and some that you can just throw together what ever is laying on the bench and go shoot it . A buddy has a 700 in 06' like that 125-180 every brand up until the Superformance shot like a champ within 3" of POH load after load. My 1st 06' found a load ......finally...... from a factory that worked . LC 43 M2 was a real winner in that rifle . Kinda hard to come by on the shelves these days . His thrives on fast powders and loads mine has temper tantrums if I break a speed limit but it's not picky about bullets.

I had a 12 twist 308 I tried a slew of 180s not 1 would stablize with 3 powders fast or slow . 140-168 loader up. Imagine my shock when a 1949 30-30 with a 12 twist shot round holes with a 230 gr spire point cast ......

I once changed primers and closed groups 2" .
I had 1 that would not shoot with Remington brass.
I know of 1 that locked up tight on PMC
Had a 357 that had to have the cases driven out of it after I shot a start load of Blue Dot under a cast 158 .
It's possible that your available parts just won't work together.

I never had any trouble with the Lee 124 TCTL but others say it leads and won't hit the barn walls from inside all locked up.

I've never used H322 but I have 4 rifles in hog heaven on it now that I've given it a go.
 
quicksylver

quicksylver

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OK...I'll join in...I have an 03a3 that will shoot the 299 with 29 grs 4064 pushing it into one ragged hole anytime you ask it to.....
it will also do it with 13.2 grs of Universal....

So ... lets see... 4064.....Louder report , more recoil , higher cost
Universal...fairly quiet, mild recoil, less than half the cost of the powder.

OOOOPS...forgot to mention it will also do it with bullets weighing half as much.....

Uhhh......let me see....what really is the BETTER load..

Can I get back to you.......o_O
 
Ian

Ian

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Umm, the one that gets the job done? Holes in paper with low recoil, mild report, and inexpensive components wins in my book. Now if I'm trying to plug a large pig or Fallow at 200 yards and I get one try, I'm going to be working near as I can get to factory jacketed velocity with at least the same if not better accuracy. That means lots of recoil, noise, money, and likely a whole lot of time at the reloading and shooting benches to get there.

A good friend of mine was chiding me recently about all the time and money I've spent on HV shooting with cast and lube quests, told me if I'd spent even half the time and money on learning how to HUNT all I would need is my old SAA revolver or a bow. Some truth to that, but I have many reasons for chasing HV and long-range accuracy with cast bullets.
 
Ben

Ben

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Ian,

I think all this boils down to :

It is your hobby, it is your money you've invested, it was your choice of rifle or handgun / caliber, it was your choice of bullet weight and design. You know what your reloading goals are for a particular pistol or rifle. All of us don't have the same goals.

Enjoy doing it your way, regardless of the source and nature of the questioning from others .

I try not to " quiz " others here on this forum as to why they are doing something in a particular way.

If they ask me a question, I'll answer it....... but I don't feel that I have a right to have them explain to me why they are doing something the way they want to do it.

I believe it is called respect.

Ben
 
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35 shooter

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Ben said:
Ian,

I think all this boils down to :

It is your hobby, it is your money you've invested, it was your choice of rifle or handgun / caliber, it was your choice of bullet weight and design. You know what your reloading goals are for a particular pistol or rifle. All of us don't have the same goals.

Enjoy doing it your way, regardless of the source and nature of the questioning from others .

I try not to " quiz " others here on this forum as to why they are doing something in a particular way.

If they ask me a question, I'll answer it....... but I don't feel that I have a right to have them explain to me why they are doing something the way they want to do it.

I believe it is called respect.

Ben
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It was also pretty easy to understand you were shooting it for the first time after having work done on it if you read the whole 1st post and that now the serious load work starts.
Pretty easy to understand you weren't stopping load work to me. Although you hit a great, cheap shooting load right off the bat.

I'm sure you'll have them trying to get into one ragged hole soon enough, if that's what YOU WANT to do. Darn nice right where it's at.
 
Ben

Ben

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Buddy,

That's a fun load, you'd enjoy shooting it.
By the way, shouldn't all this be fun ? ? ?
 
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35 shooter

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Absolutely i would enjoy it. I think a contender in handgun configuration may well be next on my list.
I agree 100% with the fun part.
 
L

Lost Dog

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When it ceases to be fun and enjoyable then it becomes much more like work. Then we should be punching a time card and checking the clock for when it's time to leave the bench or range. Ben, I don't think you were working, but rather having more fun than allowed in most countries outside our own.;):D
 
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35 shooter

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Wow, speaking of fun, i'm sizing some 315 bullets tonight with my new lee push through size dies. First time for me with the push through type sizing dies.
It went so fast with the plain base bullets i was stunned....now for the gc bullets.

Why did i wait so long to try the push through dies??? Sorry for the side track, but someone mentioned fun? It's always been work before this.
 
JWFilips

JWFilips

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I shoot cast bullets out of all my rifles, I only shoot cast bullets out of all my rifles. Many times I very surprised ( or let's say impressed) as to how good they shoot when I do my part.
I never use so called "Rifle" powders in my rifles that shoot cast bullets( closest I come is RX7 ). There is no need for me to do so. I am quite content on my procedures and I have fun shooting. Does that work for everybody? ....No! But this is what I do. And I know many here that do the same.
 
Ben

Ben

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35 shooter said:
Why did i wait so long to try the push through dies??? Sorry for the side track, but someone mentioned fun? It's always been work before this.
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Buddy,

Yes, you can process those plain base bullets super quick with your push thru sizing dies. Keep us posted on their performance down range please.

Ben
 
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