L Ross
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Heck, I'm impressed.
What Did You Shoot Today?
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CWLONGSHOT
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My 1950 Marlin 336 35 Rem
My Savage 340 30/30 and my Howa Mini 1500 6.5 Grendel
CW
My Savage 340 30/30 and my Howa Mini 1500 6.5 Grendel
CW
Pressman
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M-14 to verify the zero. It's Ok but there are accuracy issues to sort out.
Mauser DSM-34 to verify the bore lapping worked, it didn't. Looks like this rifle is more junk than rifle. Thanks Bubba
Mossberg Model M(b) to get initial zero. It will shoot the eyeball out of a squirrel at 25 yards. Vintage Herter's 4x scope is nice.
Remington Model 41 because it just followed me home. It has issues with light firing pin strike. Nice vintage rifle.
Mauser DSM-34 to verify the bore lapping worked, it didn't. Looks like this rifle is more junk than rifle. Thanks Bubba
Mossberg Model M(b) to get initial zero. It will shoot the eyeball out of a squirrel at 25 yards. Vintage Herter's 4x scope is nice.
Remington Model 41 because it just followed me home. It has issues with light firing pin strike. Nice vintage rifle.
oscarflytyer
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Yesterday, but... New Cimarron (Uberti) Winchester 1885 High Wall in 45-70. Std Sporting Rifle/case hardend, hvy 30" octagon bbl. I am really going to enjoy this one. Think I am going to put a vintage style 17" 3x Malcom scope on it.
BTW/FWIW - if you are looking for a great backdrop for gun photos, a white goat skin is the bomb!
BTW/FWIW - if you are looking for a great backdrop for gun photos, a white goat skin is the bomb!
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L Ross
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I came home early from a wind aborted second day of fishing and Sue said, "A big box came for you." A tad baffled because the only thing I had ordered was a CMMG .22 AR conversion bolt and a 3 pack of magazines, and the bubble pack I saw in the ad should not be much bigger than a good sized hard cover book. I had placed the order with MSR Arms and saved over 30 bucks from suggested retail.
Sure enough, it must have been the only box laying around because they dropped the kit in the bottom and stuffed 25 feet of heavy folded brown packing paper on top of it. I'm not exaggerating, The paper was in one long continuous piece. Sue cut it in approximately one foot pieces and neatly folded it next to the wood box. We will start fires for a month with that.
The garden shed floating slab site was all prepped and the Redi-Mix truck was due at 3:30pm so I had a few minutes. One of my lowers is away with my friend Charlie for one of his fabulous triggers, so I took the Rooskie upper off another put the 5.56 upper on and dropped in the CMMG adapter. Literally that easy, a snap, seconds. Takes much longer to thumb 20 rounds into a 25 round mag. I walked out to the bench and found a gong at 25 yards that had an area of un pocked paint and let fly. 2 1/2" low and an inch and a fuzz left. I fired a second shot and the paint chip got bigger. I was not and am not expecting target grade accuracy from this combo. In my typically over active mind it cannot be very accurate. The fired projectile has to jump the length of an unrifled faux .223 cartridge that is part of the adapter before hitting the .223 throat and engaging the 1 in 7 twist .224" diameter barrel. Hardly Kidd Super Grade precision .22 long rifle excellence. But for $196.18 to my door it was much cheaper than replacing the M&P AR22 S&W I just traded off for a S&W Model 63.
I tweaked the 25 yard zero a bit but the Aim Point red dot is probably a 4 MOA dot and you know, it is what it is. Later after the concrete was poured and floated but awaiting the trowel finish, the two young guys that were working with their Dad on the slab had some time. These young guys are my young shooting buddy and his younger brother. Now both hard working young men, the younger works as a lineman and does concrete on the side. Ever eager to pull a trigger they were happy to try the adapter. We shot 25 yard 3" diamonds, 50 yard 4" squares, 80 yard prairie dogs and 5" diamonds. We were shooting 36 gr. plated bulk pack Federal hollow points and had near flawless operation. One light primer strike that was reloaded in another mag and fired without incident.
I repainted some steel to try and get an idea of how inaccurate this combo is. The nit pickers on RimfireCentral were bashing this set up with a couple of guys claiming 8" "groups" at 50 yards. Well I can truthfully say it is no worse than 4 MOA. Considering that the red dot covers most of the 5" diamond we hit the vast majority. Once in a while we'd get a, "Huh, how'd I miss that one?", but for the most part i does what a wanted. A .223 under study that I can plink with, without the noise of full power 5.56, not to mention the expense and chasing the brass. I can shoot my .22 knock down targets that I enjoy so much. The 25 yard 3" diamonds shot off hand are just murder. If you miss one it is on the shooter because a 1" group all the time, should land on the target. The 4" squares at 50 and the 80 yard targets require you to make sure you are holding center to get a hit, whereas my Kidd or Bergara will hit them if there is white paint under the cross hair right out to the edges and corners. But the Kidd and Bergara have 12 oz. and 14 oz. triggers, up to 18X magnification, and are fed target ammo, so they darned well better be better.
Function as I said, near flawless, the one miss fire the only glitch only glitch in about 100 rounds. Clean up was a snap with some Hornady One Shot cleaner and lube, on a rag and I pulled the .22 bore snake through the upper.
Sure enough, it must have been the only box laying around because they dropped the kit in the bottom and stuffed 25 feet of heavy folded brown packing paper on top of it. I'm not exaggerating, The paper was in one long continuous piece. Sue cut it in approximately one foot pieces and neatly folded it next to the wood box. We will start fires for a month with that.
The garden shed floating slab site was all prepped and the Redi-Mix truck was due at 3:30pm so I had a few minutes. One of my lowers is away with my friend Charlie for one of his fabulous triggers, so I took the Rooskie upper off another put the 5.56 upper on and dropped in the CMMG adapter. Literally that easy, a snap, seconds. Takes much longer to thumb 20 rounds into a 25 round mag. I walked out to the bench and found a gong at 25 yards that had an area of un pocked paint and let fly. 2 1/2" low and an inch and a fuzz left. I fired a second shot and the paint chip got bigger. I was not and am not expecting target grade accuracy from this combo. In my typically over active mind it cannot be very accurate. The fired projectile has to jump the length of an unrifled faux .223 cartridge that is part of the adapter before hitting the .223 throat and engaging the 1 in 7 twist .224" diameter barrel. Hardly Kidd Super Grade precision .22 long rifle excellence. But for $196.18 to my door it was much cheaper than replacing the M&P AR22 S&W I just traded off for a S&W Model 63.
I tweaked the 25 yard zero a bit but the Aim Point red dot is probably a 4 MOA dot and you know, it is what it is. Later after the concrete was poured and floated but awaiting the trowel finish, the two young guys that were working with their Dad on the slab had some time. These young guys are my young shooting buddy and his younger brother. Now both hard working young men, the younger works as a lineman and does concrete on the side. Ever eager to pull a trigger they were happy to try the adapter. We shot 25 yard 3" diamonds, 50 yard 4" squares, 80 yard prairie dogs and 5" diamonds. We were shooting 36 gr. plated bulk pack Federal hollow points and had near flawless operation. One light primer strike that was reloaded in another mag and fired without incident.
I repainted some steel to try and get an idea of how inaccurate this combo is. The nit pickers on RimfireCentral were bashing this set up with a couple of guys claiming 8" "groups" at 50 yards. Well I can truthfully say it is no worse than 4 MOA. Considering that the red dot covers most of the 5" diamond we hit the vast majority. Once in a while we'd get a, "Huh, how'd I miss that one?", but for the most part i does what a wanted. A .223 under study that I can plink with, without the noise of full power 5.56, not to mention the expense and chasing the brass. I can shoot my .22 knock down targets that I enjoy so much. The 25 yard 3" diamonds shot off hand are just murder. If you miss one it is on the shooter because a 1" group all the time, should land on the target. The 4" squares at 50 and the 80 yard targets require you to make sure you are holding center to get a hit, whereas my Kidd or Bergara will hit them if there is white paint under the cross hair right out to the edges and corners. But the Kidd and Bergara have 12 oz. and 14 oz. triggers, up to 18X magnification, and are fed target ammo, so they darned well better be better.
Function as I said, near flawless, the one miss fire the only glitch only glitch in about 100 rounds. Clean up was a snap with some Hornady One Shot cleaner and lube, on a rag and I pulled the .22 bore snake through the upper.
L Ross
Well-Known Member
Not to sound elitist and also not knowing your budget, I can say that I have owned and used three Malcolm Leatherwoods, two in 3X and one 6X. They were all bright and clear and the mounts and adjustments are crude and soft. The screws are made of cheese I think. There are better mounts available in the after market, but by then you have lost the economy you were seeking in a Leatherwood. I currently have one left on a Low-Wall .25-20 and I plan on replacing it with a MVA A-5 when I get around to it. I'm not sure how a Malcom would stand up to the recoil of a .45-70. I'd be leery.
oscarflytyer
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Thanx L! When I said vintage, I mean a new Malcom from Uberti/Talyor. Same issue with those and their mounts? Assume so.
And yeah - YIKES on the MVAs!!!! That is actually what I THOUGHT it would set me back. Why I was surprised at the Italian options. And I know their screws can be soft. I have a buggered on on my Uberti 1873 because it is very soft (I wasn't the bugger'er! Prev owner took care of that...).
And yeah - YIKES on the MVAs!!!! That is actually what I THOUGHT it would set me back. Why I was surprised at the Italian options. And I know their screws can be soft. I have a buggered on on my Uberti 1873 because it is very soft (I wasn't the bugger'er! Prev owner took care of that...).
oscarflytyer
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Yeah - never thought a High Wall would be in my price range, and the originals def are NOT. But I have been very happy with the Italian clones (rifles and revolvers - have a few of each) so when I found this one priced right I jumped on it. Fun to shoot.
I am looking at putting some form of vintage style scope on it if I can find something that will hold up (see above post) and not cost more than the rifle did!
Finally cool enough to get back out with the henry and cast test. 310 sized 145gr GC PC. Did try 309, not so good. Did fire an Amax and SPP just to verify my shooting. Same powder load in all ~ 2100 fps. Some look tilted IMHO that was the backer moving. Bore isn't leaded. Shot off a bunch in the CVA BO, did fine - same bullet, just 2400 powder. Was low 90s and got hot fast.
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462
California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Got the 10/22's scope zeroed. Couldn't do much about accuracy, because the front and rear rests and spotting scope decided to stay home.
A baulky magazine needs tending to. Disassembled, cleansed and lubed two others, three weeks ago, but the one has a screw so tight the nut spins, however I ran out of patience, with it, at the time.
A baulky magazine needs tending to. Disassembled, cleansed and lubed two others, three weeks ago, but the one has a screw so tight the nut spins, however I ran out of patience, with it, at the time.
L Ross
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I traded for a CMMG AR-15 .22 lr, a complete dedicated rifle. The lower is a normal AR lower and any upper can be put on it. I stuck a scope on it quick and just came in from firing 70 rounds. Correct 1 in 16" twist. Seems pretty accurate too. The high Burris rings still aren't tall enough for perfect comfort, but they were the tallest I had on hand. Quite satisfied, but these semi autos do eat ammo.
Ian
Notorious member
Just catching up on the last three pages of this thread. I'm still shaking my head at you fellers connecting with a book-sized target, offhand, at 300 yards......with a .22 rifle. Last time I was out shooting offhand I was about 50% on a 4" swinger at 100 with a Mauser, 3" being my current limit of resolution at that range unaided. I can't even see a book at 300 yards without at least 4x magnification, much less hit one at that range.
Speaking of can't see nothin', damned floaters and retinal cellophane make aperture sights a no-go for me unless the aperture is more like ghost ring sized and then the aperture loses its advantage of removing focal planes from the equation. I remember being able to center a 500 yard target in two clear as a bell black holes on my Shiloh Sharps, some time ago, now I can barely tell if there's even any light coming through those same holes.
Speaking of can't see nothin', damned floaters and retinal cellophane make aperture sights a no-go for me unless the aperture is more like ghost ring sized and then the aperture loses its advantage of removing focal planes from the equation. I remember being able to center a 500 yard target in two clear as a bell black holes on my Shiloh Sharps, some time ago, now I can barely tell if there's even any light coming through those same holes.
Yep, can't see shit is what took all of the fun out of shooting for me. Especially hard to take because I used to have such excellent eyesight. Not anymore. I used to march shots across the 200 meter target in 2-3 inch spacings with iron sights. Today I can't tell if the 200 meter target is even out there. I can use corrective lenses to bring in the target, kinda, but then I use brail to see if there are sights on the gun. One or the other, sights or targets, never both.
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Put the shooting buddy's S&W Highway Patrolman into the Ransom Rest yesterday. Shot several loads for an article we are writing for "The Fouling Shot". While all were loaded with Bullseye, groups were amazingly different. One hollow base MagTec 158 grain bullet was a consistent 3/4" grouper at 25 yards, while a plain base bullet of the same weight but lubed with LLA was over 6 inches.
Comparing the Model 28 and my 25 inch barreled Martini, with the same loads, those in 38 cases with 200 f/s faster in the rifle and with 357 cases 325 f/s faster. HBWC's were 985 f/s from the rifle and very quite.
Comparing the Model 28 and my 25 inch barreled Martini, with the same loads, those in 38 cases with 200 f/s faster in the rifle and with 357 cases 325 f/s faster. HBWC's were 985 f/s from the rifle and very quite.
462
California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Yesterday, it was the pretty much box-stock 10/22*. Mission was to test plinker-type ammunition versus those a step or two above.
Plinker-types were Remington Gold and Thunderbolt, the next step up was Winchester Wildcat, and finally Winchester TenX and Eley Target. Group sizes got progressively smaller, from Gold to Target. However, there wasn't much to distinguish TenX from Target -- they were just over 1" at 50 yards.
Haven't shot the rifle a lot, over the many years, so I've bought bargain-basement ammo. Now I'm downsized and the rifle will shot more often, it's time to buy quality ammo.
*Modifications: Volquartsen's extractor (the original was problematic) and hammer/sear kit (reduced trigger pull to a crisp 2 1/4 pounds), an extended magazine release, and a Bushnell 4-12X40 scope.
Plinker-types were Remington Gold and Thunderbolt, the next step up was Winchester Wildcat, and finally Winchester TenX and Eley Target. Group sizes got progressively smaller, from Gold to Target. However, there wasn't much to distinguish TenX from Target -- they were just over 1" at 50 yards.
Haven't shot the rifle a lot, over the many years, so I've bought bargain-basement ammo. Now I'm downsized and the rifle will shot more often, it's time to buy quality ammo.
*Modifications: Volquartsen's extractor (the original was problematic) and hammer/sear kit (reduced trigger pull to a crisp 2 1/4 pounds), an extended magazine release, and a Bushnell 4-12X40 scope.
