WWII air war history question

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
"Civilians never asked, I never offered, thinking they didn't want to know or wouldn't understand. Took 25 years before I felt comfortable talking about that year. Except to another veteran."

Luckily, most of the cops and firefighters of my age group were veterans. (Here you got a 5% boost on your entrance test score.) ONLY on Veteran's Day would we go to the VFW and talk about our experiences. Now we a dying off and have dementia so don't meet any more, as we have all been retired 20+ years and scattered.

Don't talk to the wife or kids unless they ask a direct question. My son doesn't talk about his time in the 82nd Airborne in 1990/91 either.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I've run into a lot of guys, usually at bars back when I did that sort of thing, that told heroic stories of their daring do. I figured 99.9%+++ were full of it. I've run into an even larger number of people professionally that seemed to think lying to me about their extensive military time would get them out of the jam they were in. Many would tell a story that was extremely similar to some scene in a war movie or they'd tell me about "boot camp at Parris Island" where they told their "Drill Sergeant" (!!!) to shove it or some such trash. I also ran into a few kids coming back from the middle east that needed to talk to someone and I apparently seemed like a handy ear. Some were real messed up, some were so obviously full it it was pathetic. I dunno why people do that except that they want someone to pay attention to them to fill some need, I guess. None of the guys I knew growing up who were in WW1, 2, Korea or VN talked about it much. Knew a man who survived the Bataan Death march. Nicest, most cheerful guy you'd ever meet. Another was in graves registration and was later an undertaker after the war and then went on to own a McCulloch/Pioneer/Homelite chainsaw dealership. He was a great guy, way, way up in the Masons. But the poor guy who tried to get him to take on Kioritz (Echo today) Japanese made saws is said to have barely escaped with his life! I guess the old demons were still there.

Of all the kids I talked to coming back from Afghanistan or Iraq that I thought were full of it, every one claimed to be a sniper. I've run into literally dozens and dozens of kids claiming to be snipers. I can't believe there are that many actual designated snipers in any unit. I think the Kris Kyle thing kind of seemed cool to a lot of them.

We had one guy in our Academy class that repeatedly claimed to be one of the Marines killed in Beirut. You'd have thought he'd have wondered why people looked at him oddly when he said that, but he just went on with it. He flunked out about 3 weeks into the 6 month school, probably for the best!

I don't imagine most men really want to relive the horrible stuff. I'd also imagine most of humanity has something that qualifies as "horrible" someplace in their memory that they bury deep and dream about over and over again and never really address. I've handled a lot of those that had sexual or physical abusive stuff done to them as kids. Hard for them to deal with. People say talking helps, but talking also stirs up a lot of suppressed stuff that needs a way to vent. People in general aren't real good at finding healthy ways to handle things like that, so maybe burying it is best for some.
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
I remember reading an American Legion article that said 2 million GIs were boots-on-the-ground Viet Nam veterans, however 7 million other men claim to have been in-county. John Kerry and Algore used their very short in-county tours to great and shameless effect.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I remember reading an American Legion article that said 2 million GIs were boots-on-the-ground Viet Nam veterans, however 7 million other men claim to have been in-county. John Kerry and Algore used their very short in-county tours to great and shameless effect.
It is always easy to tell. "Show me your medals". I can tell 100% of the time if it is government issued or something aftermarket.
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
It is always easy to tell. "Show me your medals". I can tell 100% of the time if it is government issued or something aftermarket.

Wasn't aware of that. What's the difference? How can you tell?
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I never understood what was wrong with not being GI Joe on the front lines! It's not like most people had any choice where they were assigned. I drove a truck around delivering airplane parts or unloading endless crates of airplane parts. Why? Because I signed up and was guaranteed a job area thinking I'd get crash crew (I used to be a volunteer fireman and thought that was really cool) but it also included GSE (the guys that start jet airplanes and drag them around) and Aviation Supply. They didn't need anymore crash crew guys or GSE guys, but they did need av supply guys, so that's where they stuck me. It was actually for the best because you could get promoted faster there, but what kid thinks about that? Anyway, I don't get why people can't just say, "I drove a truck." "I was in admin." "I was a weatherman." "I worked in the sheet metal shop." "I was a truck mechanic in Motor Tee." "I handed out uniforms." It's not like any of that makes you a blatant coward. I just don't get it. IIRC the front line grunt to support personnel ratio is something like 18-1, or maybe higher now. Why lie about it?
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Yeah, but you can make a lotta $$$ listening to people vent if you have the right letters after your name...
 

BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
I know a guy that is younger than me, probably born 1970 or so, he wears a Korean War vet hat. I thanked him for his service once and for going to Korea before I knew who he was. He accepted the gratitude that I gave like he had been in the war. I suppose it could be looked at that the war never really ended until a couple of years ago and he was in the Army stationed in South Korea so I honestly don’t know if it’s stolen valor or not. I was never in the service and never knew anyone that served in the combat years of the Korean war so I’ll not pass judgement. He still served and is a vet and I still look up to all the vets. Vets, give us your thoughts on this.
 

Rick H

Well-Known Member
Last I heard soldiers serving in Korea still get combat pay and income tax exemptions while stationed there. I suppose technically he could be a Korean War vet as the war is still ongoing, there has been a cease fire but no conclusion.
 
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462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
The Korean War ended in July 1953, so at a minimum he'd have to've born in '35, to be 18-years-old at the war's end. The guy is a phony wannabe.
 

Mitty38

Well-Known Member
I NEVER DID GET THAT, CAN NOT A PERSON BE PROUD OF WHAT THEY ARE. IF NOT, MAYBE THEY SHOULD FIND SOMETHING THEY CAN DO TO BE PROUD OF.
Had a lot of military in my family.
I had rheumatism, flat feet and bad knees none of the armed forces would take me out of high school.
I wanted to go Iraq later on, so tried again and no luck.
So I got a job in a factory making mobile missile bases for the Iraq conflict.
I deburred the rings on the launchers the missiles sat in. I did the best darn job of de-burring I could on them. I also took part of my pay and helped a group that put together care packages for the troupes.
I was proud to do what I could, even though it was at home as a civilian.
To take someone else's glory is just about as bad as rape to me.
If you can not, or will not do something you feel is necessary, and worth praise, then support those who can-will.
Don't let others pay the price and sit on your laurels collecting the rewards.
Credit where it is due.
 
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462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Thanks, Emmett, for what you did.

In my time, many young men became professional college students, or used Daddy's influence, to avoid the draft. Others moved to Canada. All are cowards of the first water. Many of the professional college students and stay-in-America draft dodgers went on to be politicians, Billy Jeff is the most famous, or became college professors. Either way, they ended up setting an agenda that has weakened America, and remains with us today. Jimma' Carter excused the ones who moved to Canada and welcomed them back with open arms -- just one of his many failings.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I'm in awe each time a vet says " I couldn't have done the job I did without your service , thank you sir . " I didn't do anything special , it was just a job , it was 10,000 miles from 99% of the hazards , and yet they act like they owe me something . I would have gone Corps if I had gone I talked to several recruiters had decent ASVAB scores .....if I wanted OCS and a clerical job , it was even worse with my A&P license , I loathe paperwork and punching rivets runs a very close 2nd in a top 10 list of things I loathe most .

I've never understood why someone would claim to be what they aren't .......
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I will add one comment; most of it is regret for not having the courage to have done anything "dangerous" in their lives. You only have to be brave for one second to take the first step out of the aircraft!
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I wear my USMC hat now and again. Now that it's "popular" I get people thanking me. It always shocks and embarrasses me a bit. And I always respond, "Well, thanks for giving me a job and a paycheck!" because to most people, that's what the service is, or at least was for us Cold War types.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
Bret4207, while it's true that it's a job and paycheck; it's also a lot more.
On any given day you can receive orders to go fight for your country. If that happens, you don't get to say, "gee, I rather not today, thank you for asking". So while it has the appearance of a job, it is in fact a duty. And I have great respect and admiration for those that accept that duty.
 

popper

Well-Known Member
FIL was B24 nav, had to man the nose gun when the gunner got shot up. Tossed everything they cold out to stay air born before a belly landing in the sand. Took many bourbon and coke before he told that story. Her BIL was A7 jockey for 4 tours in Nam, another HS buddy was helo rescue pilot in Nam, several P.H. Most of my teachers were WWII or Korea vets. Uncle was Eng Corp in Ak during combat, no stories from him. Other than Civil war, none of family in Mil, Quakers. My first ship was just back from Cuba as picket ship, 24/7 GQ. not many stories from them. Classified as Viet era vet, then they changed to in-country only. No matter. Did my job, got my pay. Got out and on with life. I do thank the guys going in now as they (usually) want to do something for the US.