Ar kool-aid

fiver

Well-Known Member
so I’d probably go with a slick-side upper
these seem to be getting harder to find, i hate that stupid stick it harder button.
and not just cause it jabs me in the back when i'm cutting from one rock pile to another.

anyway your looking for a STAG 6-H.
just throw some Sierra 63gr SMP's [the funny looking rounded off ones] in it in front of some sort of powder like H-322 or 3031 and your done.
 

Ian

Notorious member
You carry over your left shoulder too? The stick it harder button is great for locking the bolt quietly without slingshotting it and scaring off all the game and varmints in that whole corner of the state, but it's on the wrong side to not make a really sore spot in the left kidney right quick. My SP-1 doesn't have that problem but the carry handle is a bit limiting. Why doesn't the Colt M-16 have the cool charging handle like the original prototype AR-10 had? It makes the carry handle shape make a lot more sense.

AR of some sort.
Jack
Lug wrench
BFH
Transport chain
Pocket knife
Reading glasses
Spare water..........Don't leave home without them.
 
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popper

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My first was a AR10 rifle (308W), then carbine upper. Then the BO. Wood and steel or Al and steel - just tools. The guns I have do what I want and at my age she says I don't need any more.
 

dloud

New Member
My 82 yo Father gave me a heavy barrel AR for my 50th birthday 22 years ago. He was an old WW2 DI and wanted to see what they were all about. He tinkered with it and shot it for a while. That satisfied his curiosity, he gave it to me and bought a Mini 14. It does shoot well, it's mostly a safe queen but I intend to keep it. Only bought another recently, a PSA mid length carbine. It's reliable but not a high end piece by any means, does what I want. I tend to look at a AR like a Glock, tough and reliable but a tool not a toy.

Left to my own devices I'll take Mausers, #4 Enfields , levers and even a good Mosin-Nagant.
 

Petrol & Powder

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My 82 yo Father gave me a heavy barrel AR for my 50th birthday 22 years ago. He was an old WW2 DI and wanted to see what they were all about. He tinkered with it and shot it for a while. ............

Left to my own devices I'll take Mausers, #4 Enfields , levers and even a good Mosin-Nagant.
I clearly remember when the civilian Colt H-Bar was THE AR to have. 20” heavy barrel, 1:7 twist, A2 style sights, fixed stock. That was the configuration everyone wanted. It was long before the fads of short barrels, collapsible stocks, Picatinny rails everywhere. The only controversy in that era was carry handle versus flat top.

To be perfectly open, I’ve never been super impressed with the operating system of the AR-15. Eugene Stoner was brilliant, and his gas system is lightweight and fairly simple. It works and with a modicum of maintenance, it’s reliable. However, directing those hot & dirty gases into the receiver and carrier group has always been the Achillies heel of that design. The adoption of the H&K 416 by numerous forces around the world is an acknowledgement of that weakness. Designs such as the SIG 540 or SIG 550, or even the AK variants stand out in contrast to the AR gas system.

I have no illusions of being some type of extreme operator that will push an AR platform to failure. But I’ve never really embraced the AR gas system. I will acknowledge that is lightweight, simple, works when reasonably clean and will likely work just fine. I’ve just never liked it.

This bias is like the quartz watch versus mechanical watch bias. The quartz watch is far less expensive to produce, is far more accurate and entirely serviceable but I still prefer a mechanical watch.
 
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richhodg66

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I read somewhere that Stoner, Kalashnikov and Galili actually all met together at one time, but can't find the reference. It seems Stoner and Kalashnikov became friends. I read somewhere that Kalashnikov was actually an NRA member.

Kalashnikov was a Commie, but I admire patriotism and he supposedly designed the AK while serving in WWII because he wanted to help his country, I'm sure he never got rich off of it.
 

Rushcreek

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I like the slick side receivers as well.
The .223 on the left has a total slick side(no brass bumper) and it drops fired brass in a neat pile about 4’ away at 4 o’clock.
I think that it was a Bushmaster product.
The 6.8 on the right does have the bumper/ deflector and it’s brass lands about 2:30 o’clock.
 

Petrol & Powder

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Kalashnikov was a Commie, but I admire patriotism and he supposedly designed the AK while serving in WWII because he wanted to help his country, I'm sure he never got rich off of it.
One does not OWN intellectual property in a Communist system. The STATE owns everything.

Kalashnikov worked the state, the product of his labors belonged to the state not to him and you are correct that he did not get rich.
 

oscarflytyer

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right shoulder barrel down.
looong long time habit.
^^^ same

And, the FA is a 'habit' for me as well. When I picked up my first one/factory - I about lost my mind doing old school ingrained immediate action drill on a slick side model (Smith). Ran my elbow clear past the chamber 3 times trying to find the FA. Sales guy/old Vietnam Vet started laughing, took the rifle from me and handed me a FA model (Wyndham), saying "Here, try this." And all was well in my mind. And, I decided, in a bad situation, I would lose precious time and concentration trying to find the FA if I ever had to rely on it.
 

JWinAZ

Active Member
My Grandparent's ranch was very isolated. No phones, neighbors miles away, and right on the border. We were always armed. When a Colt became available Grandad decided he wanted one because the silhouette was instantly recognizable as meaning business. This was about 1977 or so. We had a Mini-14 prior to that but we were limited to magazines of 5 rounds.
 

todd

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i got tired of m16, ak47, ak74, m60, PKM, RPK and with others in the Army. my brother bought an AR15 6 or 7 years ago. i taught him all i know about the 16, maintenance, where and how much oil to shoot, take it apart and put it back together.... heck i even shot it, the smell brought back memories, but as far as i am concerned, i don't want or need it.

i do have a hankering with the SKS......even tho it is a semi......it has bluing and a wood stock.
 

Petrol & Powder

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The SKS is an interesting rifle. I once saw a crate of 10 for $89.99 each or all 10 for $900. They were coated in cosmoline and of course, Chinese.

The Romanian ones were always better quality but not nearly as common and always far more expensive.

The SKS got a bad reputation as a “Thug” rifle when everyone was buying the cheap ones, dropping the action into a black plastic stock, and putting detachable magazines on them (and ruining the great compact form of the rifle in the process). The abundance of cheap ammo, albeit steel cased and Berdan primed, didn’t help matters.

The guns had (and still have) a lot going for them. They continue to be decent values. The action is super reliable. The chamber and barrel are typically chrome lined (making them rather durable even when abused). They tend to be a little rough, the triggers are not going to impress match shooters, and the sights aren’t much. But they go bang when they should. The SKS is one of the least expensive, 30 caliber, semi-auto rifles you can find. The 7.62 x 39mm has ballistics that many people compare to the .30-30 and that’s probably a fair assessment. I knew a guy that used one as a deer rifle and was very successful with it. He purchased 1 box of cartridges loaded with soft point bullets for hunting and practiced with the cheap Soviet stuff. It was low budget and worked just fine.
 

fiver

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dropped one of mine in a monte carlo ram line stock.
threw a bunch of widgets at it just playing around took almost all of them back off then pretty much left it alone in the plastic stock with the bi-pod.

i beat the jesus out of that poor rifle, leaving it in the bed of my truck for days on end, never cleaning it for thousands of rounds, didn't even put oil on it.
it'll still shoot solid 1-1/2" hundred yard groups off the bi-pod with Norinco ammo.
 

todd

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close to 30 years ago, i had my gunsmith/owner (RIP) said if i give him $1000, he'll put in another $1000 and we will get a crate of SKSs. i was scraping by and i just had a son, a $1000 was unreal, so i said no. stupid is what i call myself nicely. i can]t repeat what i said whenever i am not nice.

i looked at buying one for $350 - 400 a couple of years ago. i didn't buy it but the word stupid was used.
 

Mainiac

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I remember early 90,s everybody and there brother was buying these for 90 bucks,then they went to 140 bucks.i never bought 1,to clunky looking for me.ive often wondered where they all went,because i never see them around here anymore.
Has to be a thousand close by my town,,
 

imashooter2

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I remember early 90,s everybody and there brother was buying these for 90 bucks,then they went to 140 bucks.i never bought 1,to clunky looking for me.ive often wondered where they all went,because i never see them around here anymore.
Has to be a thousand close by my town,,
Chicom junk, resplendent in spike bayonet. With sling, oiler, chest bandolier, stripper clips and 100 rounds of Chinese steel core ammo. I got one to shoot cheap center fire that I didn’t have to collect the brass or reload. It was great until someone decided to chamber a handgun for the X39. Goodbye cheap ammo. Now it sits in the safe. I pull her out every few years, we have a little fun and then back in the safe she goes.
 
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