311008

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
Oh, good--I have a couple sets of the Lee tools. Thank you, Michael.

I share CW L/S's view that the 32/20 WCF does better work with the 115-120 grain bullets; IME the 32 S&W Long and 32 H&R Magnum seem to prefer the 90-100 grainers, esp. the RCBS #32-98-SWC. So far, the 327 seems to like just about everything--85 grain JHPs through 120 grain flatnoses.

I haven't gotten a #311008 for one simple reason--its lack of a dedicated crimp groove. For revolver apps, ain't no thang--just wrap a roll crimp around the bullet ogive, and things stay in place. But my 32/20 usage includes the levergun, and unless "008" is seated on a 100%-density powder column of The Holy Black (or RL-7 as the late John Kort pioneered for 1873 Winchester rifles in 44/40 WCF with #427098), bullets will "telescope" back inside the case as they work their way ka-chunking down the magazine tube. Life Is Better with a levergun when a crimp groove is part of the program. My current 32/20 rifle is a Marlin 1894CCL, with the stronger action of those variants. #311316 has done the heavy lifting here, its GC enabling 1800-1850 FPS with decent accuracy to 150 yards--jackrabbit- and ground squirrel-capable to that distance using open irons.

I did scrounge up some #311008s a few years back for an experiment using my guns with the derived loadings of RL-7 in Starline brass, probably WW metal and lit off by Rem #6-1/2 primers. 12.5 grains gave "secure footing" in the Starline brass, and produced 1275-1300 FPS. Pressure signs were absent, just like those seen using 6.0 grains of SR-4756 in handguns. Just a couple zombie powder granules were present after firing in the rifle; they were more numerous in the 4-3/4" and 5" bores of my revolvers. Experiment was declared "Successful", with one caveat--BP pressure levels, safe for wheelguns and 1873 rifles. Those unburned powder granules got under the D/A wheelguns' extractor stars with some frequency, which is no real issue in a sports gun (just a PITA). In a sidearm used to keep you upright and breathing.......such conditions could get you killed, because the cylinder won't close after a reload. My old Colt Bisley SA was not bothered a bit by the grit. FYI.

#311008, #403043, and #427098 were all meant to sit upon compressed columns of black powder, and have a roll crimp wrapped around their ogives. This is per John Kort's research. Hence their lack of crimp grooves.
 
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Rally

NC Minnesota
That's a pretty rifle Ben. If you keep posting pictures of it I'm gonna have to find one just like it! Bet it would make a fine truck gun.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Active Member
The lak of the crimp groove is a stinker for me too

Tried some yesterday and they are difficult to chamber because of the flair. I kept adjusting but dont like the results. Ill pass on this one in my 327.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
S Mac--my SP-101 x 327 Federal's throats will tale a .312" pin gauge, .313" is a no-go. I size at .313" for that one. In the S&W Model 16-4 (32 H&R Mag), throats accept a .313" pin but .314" is a no-go; its bullets are sized at .314". Throats in my several 32/20 revolvers run from .3125" to just a couple tenths smaller than .314"; I am just about ready to use .314" sizing in all of the 32s and call it good.
 

S Mac

SW Mo Hillbilly
One reason I wondered is my 311008 only makes .3115 . I guess CW is painting his,will gain a bit of girth.
 
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CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I think NOE has a "#314008" to address the undersized-Lyman-mould issue. Accurate Molds likely has one as well.

This is another leftover trait from the blackpowder era. A lot of blackpowder calibers have bullet diameter specs that seem undersized in this era--a 30/1 alloy .457" bullet in a 45/70 cartridge can be expected to "bump up" to the .459"-.462" throat found in a lot of Trapdoors without a problem given the way that BP operates--a low-order detonation. Smokeless powders and their progressive combustion curves are not nearly as likely to produce this bump-up effect in 30/1 or in harder Lyman #2 or Taracorp/"hardball alloys.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Active Member
@CWLONGSHOT , doesn't your crimp remove the flare? By the way, what are you sizing your bullet to. I'm unfamiliar with the 327, just wondering.
. These dies are Hornady. With that floating seater stem. Its a real piss por die. But its what I got. I have a Redding crimp die coming. ;)
To answer your question. Kinda yea but its bad unless there is a place to displace the brass.

CW

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Fiddler

Member
Interesting about the size, I just got a single cavity Ideal from an ebay seller and they mic at .3145. My shooting friend's mold casts at .312. Once in a while I get lucky.
 

Bisley

Member
I loaded that bullet in .32-20 and .30 carbine. IIRC, I used Unique in the .32-20, with a slight roll crimp in the top lube groove (I loaded 454190 in .45 Colt the same way). Telescoping in the 1873 magazine was not a problem. My vintage SC Lyman miked .312. Older Brother has the mould now. Max listed load (1959 Lyman Manual, so watch out) for the Carbine was 14 grains 2400. I got the action to cycle at 10 grains, which was good enough to plast rocks and trees at the old Jonesville Mine up at Sutton. YMMV

Bisley
 
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