44 Special revolver

fiver

Well-Known Member
i got a bunch of that 7.5gr. load here.
it needs to be cut back to 7.0 [or a lighter load of titewad/group] and will be the next time i fire the 550 up.
which i don't quite understand since in the 38-40 and 45 colt type guns it's a low down light weight target type load recoil champion.
8.5 in the 44 and 41 with their respective nominal weights are right about the same.
7.5 in the special is getting up there in the snappy section.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
The S&W Models 24 & 624 are outstanding revolvers, but the prices have reached into the stratosphere. In addition to the lofty prices, the N-frames chambered in 44 Special just aren't as common as the 44 Magnum models.
Many years ago, I left the big bore handgun sandbox in pursuit of some other adventure. When I returned to the 44 scene, the 44 Special had achieved a near cult like status, with the commensurate prices. I had once again missed the boat.
I found a solution that I could just barely afford (a 4" Model 629) and went forward from there. It was a good solution, but I would have been just as happy with a 3" or 4" model 624.
I find it interesting that at times the model 29 was in high demand due to the "Dirty Harry" effect but it is now the N-frames chambered in 44 Special that command the king's ransom.
Everything is subject to change.
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
It's Supply and Demand, all over again.

I would like to see Ruger chamber the LCR or LCRx in 44 Special. Dimensionally, there isn't much difference in the size of my 357 LCR and my Bulldog.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
Lamar--the 44/40 case has more capacity than does the 44 Magnum--at least a full grain more of RL-7, maybe more with the R-P and W-W cases. The 44/40 would have even more yet than a shorter 44 Special.

I had this idea a few years back when I was messing around with the late John Kort's idea of using 100%-density loads of RL-7 in the hyphenated Winchester rounds like 32/20 and 44/40. This was more about giving bullet-base support to castings like Lyman #311008 and #427098, which lack a crimp groove to secure the bullet against telescoping while the cartridges shunt down the mag tube in leverguns. When 008 and 098 were new, black powder was the only fuel available, and the BP column supported the bullet in similat fashion. A crimp was set around the bullet ogive, and made for a solid, stable package. RL-7 worked perfectly in this manner for both 32/20 and 44/40, giving ~1125-1150 FPS and not much bore debris in rifles; it was a little dirtier in 4-3/4" revolver barrels, but still not bad.

Never able to LEAVE WELL-ENOUGH ALONE, I tried 100%-density loads of RL-7 in 357 and 44 Magnum loads using a couple bullet weights with each caliber. They worked, they were accurate enough, and left a bit of bore grit/zombies after each shot, but like the 32/20 and 44/40 velocities were quite moderate, about 1100 FPS again. Mid-level weights of Unique or Herco use about 35% the powder weight to get the same perfornamce level. Whatever money you might be saving via absence of gas checks would be lost to powder cost per round of almost 3X per shot. In short, RL-7 works OK in this application--but there are more cost-effective ways to go about this business of moderate-power loads for Magnum revolver calibers. I suspect that after 3-5 cylinder-fulls of these RL-7 loads in a swing-out or top-break revolver, that powder grit would play h--l with extractor clearances and cause stoppages.
 

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
If anyone is playing with/has good load data for 32-20 or 44-40 in rifles with RL-7 - I am all ears!

Also agree in the Mdl 21 4" the Skeeter loads is smart. 16 grns of 2400 is TOO smart! 624 likes the Skeeter load just fine/shoots it very well. But my lext loads for the 21 will def come off the 7.5 gr Unique by .5 to 1.0 grn. And if I use 2400, looking at ~13ish (all with the 429421).
 

hporter

Active Member
If anyone is playing with/has good load data for 32-20 or 44-40 in rifles with RL-7 - I am all ears!
Ed Harris published an article in the Cast Bullet Association's "The Fouling Shot 235" that covers Reloader 7 and 44-40 very well. I have some loaded up, but didn't have time to shoot them the last time out.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
7.5-8 with the 250 grain square groove Keith bullet is what I shoot in my 4" Bulldog for field loads . It's snappy on both ends .
Before I was aware that these things are meant to be "carried a lot and shot a little," and before I learned they were supposed to "blow up," "self-destruct," "shoot loose," "go outta time," or whatever other malady might become them, lest they be used for more than 500 or so factory 246-grain RN loads at 750 fps, I shot quite a few 44 Special loads which were originally intended for heavier guns. I didn't know no better.

They have earned my respect.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
It's Supply and Demand, all over again.

I would like to see Ruger chamber the LCR or LCRx in 44 Special. Dimensionally, there isn't much difference in the size of my 357 LCR and my Bulldog.
That would break my will and mess up my plan.

My plan is to appreciate the small battery I have - and not go chasing after a bunch of "pretty faces."

The LCR/LCRX, NOT being a "pretty face" (by quite a stretch) would cause me to fall off the wagon. My wife has a 3" LCRX in 38, but it seems to take up a lot of space for a 5-shot 38, even as it weighs less than a pound. I could live with that bulk if it were a 5-shot 44 Special.
 

JustJim

Well-Known Member
I think, if they made the LCR in 44 special, I'd have a pair to carry and one for a spare--and two more NIB in the back of the safe in case they were discontinued.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Before I was aware that these things are meant to be "carried a lot and shot a little," and before I learned they were supposed to "blow up," "self-destruct," "shoot loose," "go outta time," or whatever other malady might become them, lest they be used for more than 500 or so factory 246-grain RN loads at 750 fps, I shot quite a few 44 Special loads which were originally intended for heavier guns. I didn't know no better.

They have earned my respect.
Funny how that works...
 

Rick H

Well-Known Member
9My wife has a 3" LCRX in 38, but it seems to take up a lot of space for a 5-shot 38, even as it weighs less than a pound.
I have a 3" LCRX 38 and swapped out the bulky full size grip for the standard LCR grip. It makes a world of difference when carrying it and I find I shoot it just as well. My little finger finds natural support under the grip. I'm not sure how it would work with warm 44 special loads.
 

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Winelover

North Central Arkansas
I have a 3" LCRX 38 and swapped out the bulky full size grip for the standard LCR grip. It makes a world of difference when carrying it and I find I shoot it just as well. My little finger finds natural support under the grip. I'm not sure how it would work with warm 44 special loads.
No worse than a 21 ounce 44 Bulldog. Probably, not comfortable shooting 50 rounds of warm loads but nothing that lightweight ever is.