7mm-08, Happy Birthday!

Joshua

Taco Aficionado/Salish Sea Pirate/Part-Time Dragon
Ok, so Hornady makes:

The Interlock 139 #2820
The Interbond 139 #28209
and
The SST 139 (which I don’t want)

Are you guys raving about the Hornady Interlock or the Interbond?

I was able to find three boxes of the the Interlock 139 #2820. It’s hard to find lots of stuff right now, so I went ahead and bought them.
 

Ole_270

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Hornady actually makes 5 different 139s.
GMX Mono 28270
SST Ballistic Tip imitation 28202
Bonded 28209
Flat base Interlock 2820
Boattail Interlock 2825

The 2820 is the bullet I use and horror of horrors, I just discovered that I'm down to the last box. SThe SST has the reputation of being pretty soft. The bonded Interbond can be tricky to get shooting well, and is higher priced.
 

Rockydoc

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I don't have a 7mm08 myself, I have a 7x57, but all of my grandsons (5) and my son in law have 7mm08s that I load for. They aren't into cast bullets so I load Nosler BT 120gr bullets. The bullet needs to match the target and Florida deer don't require more bullet than that. That bullet in the guns they have is very accurate.

I believe you will enjoy your 7mm08.
Happy Birthday!
 

CWLONGSHOT

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I haven't used the Bonded bullet.
The SST's shot very well in my Magnum but are soft for sure.

I havent been a solid copper bullet fan so I haven't used the GMX either.

CW
 

Joshua

Taco Aficionado/Salish Sea Pirate/Part-Time Dragon
I have done that thing in the past, where you buy components for a gun that you don’t own “yet”. I own .308 brass because I was gonna get one. I picked up the Lee 285-130 cause I was looking at 7mm rifles.

Well if you buy stuff that you can’t use you either need to flip it, buy a new gun, or pretend that you are a dragon who sleeps on a bed of treasure!

I mention all this because in the last few months I have passed on purchasing two big lots of 7mm bullets. I just didn’t want to buy more stuff that was gonna just sit on a shelf looking at me. I wasn’t sure about what I was gonna get for my next rifle, 6.5 something, .270, or a 7mm/.280 something bolt action were all on the short list. Hell there was even a real good argument for purchasing a modern 30-06 to save on components and tooling.

In those lots there were quite a few 140, 150, and 160 grain Partitions. Now there just aren’t any to be found online. Things will settle down. However I didn’t really choose the best time to jump into a new cartridge.
 
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CWLONGSHOT

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The 308's make fine 7/08's.
I was prepping 7/08's earlier today. I was suprised how many Winchesters and Hornadys I had!
I set up a hundred RP fully prepped including annealed.
CW
 

fiver

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that treasure thing works until it's all obsolete and you can't get anything to match up anymore.
not really a problem with metallic components, but in the shot shell world it can cause the headache of storage room.

I like the plain base interlock.
the SST is too soft, and the interbond is just a bonded SST [that is stupid expensive]
I have some boat tail interlocks around here somewhere [unless Littlegirl got ahold of them for heerr my Ruger] she seems to like the Remington Corelok's I have though.

the 7-08 likes the 113gr LEE soup can on top of a little bit of pistol powder [red-dot type] and that combo is perfect for teaching a youngster how to shoot a big game rifle on the cheap.

the RCBS silhouette bullets quite often have a nose too big for the 0-8's barrel, but if they slide up in there, 24-25grs of 4895 will launch either one of them in a nice clean straight line.
 

L Ross

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Happy birthday, Joshua!
I’ve never owned a 7-08 myself. But it seems like a very versatile, capable cartridge. Especially when used in a handy, portable, accurate bolt gun.
I would guess bullets heavier than 140grs will reduce the powder capacity.
That's because you just cannot improve on the original. The 7x57, I have shot 130, 139, 140, 150, 154, 160, and 175 grain bullets. In round nose, pointy, and semi pointy. None of those intrude on powder capacity. If the critter I want to shoot is too far away for the trajectory of the slowest round, (2,640), it is too far away for me to humanely kill.

The 140 grain is excellent in the 7x57 and should also be in your 7mm-08. Cup and core for deer size, Partitions for heavier. I think cast bullets in .285 are too skinny for hunting. I like to use cast to really polish my rifle skills, then use a jacketed to hunt with most of the time.
 

fiver

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I think cast bullets in .285 are too skinny for hunting
agree,, they penetrate like nobody's business, there just ain't nuthin else there
until you figure out the throat and run the speed up, which ain't the easiest thing to do in a 7mm barrel.
 

Joshua

Taco Aficionado/Salish Sea Pirate/Part-Time Dragon
Well most seem to agree that the 175gr are really a bit to much for the 7mm-08. I’m seeing that 760/H414 can get a 160gr up around a 2650fps, in a test barrel.

I was just reading a Shooting Times article that stated there was a 4.5% loss in velocity when going from a 24” barrel down to a 16.5”. It seems that one of the advantages of the 7mm-08 is that it is quite efficient, and therefore doesn’t loose too much velocity when barrel length is reduced.

The rifle that I ordered is coming with a 20” barrel. So I will loose a bit, but it shouldn’t be anywhere near 50fps per inch. A 160gr Partition trucking along at about 2550fps MV would still be carrying 1500 ft. pounds at 300 yards. By comparison a factory 30-30 is gonna have that much energy at 50 yards.

I’m pretty excited.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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Your gonna like those 139's. There profile is such that most can extend OAL quite a bit more then others. Hopefully the barrel likes them as well.
I have a 4895 Ladder loaded up for mine to be shot today.

IMHO both the 175 & 160 are past practical efficient. Esp for myself having a 7Mag as well. But many shoot them and they still can preform. You have them try them why not?!? I have a Box of 175 Sierras and a couple boxes of 175 RN Hornadys on the shelf. My 7mag just shoots 160 Speer and Partitions "better" averaging right at 3K and moa. Those 175's only seem to muster 28ish. But I also dont have those ultra slow or newer powders. I have used RE22,N160,7828,Norma mag 4831....

Good Luck

cw
 

Petrol & Powder

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The 7 x 57 is an outstanding cartridge, which is pretty amazing when you consider when it was developed. And the 7 x 57 has a little more case capacity than the 7mm-08. However, the 7mm-08 has a few advantages over the 7mm Mauser. The data for the 7mm-08 was all established for strong, modern actions. In a strong action a reloader can compensate for some of that conservative data when reloading the 7 x 57.
The one area where the 7 x 57 cannot compete with the 7mm-08 is the action length required. The 7 x 57 will not fit in a short action but the 7mm-08 will.
The 7 x 57 is a medium length cartridge. There are some medium length actions out there (SAKO made a nice one years ago) but more often than not the 7mm Mauser gets paired with a long action.
The 7 x 57 IS an excellent cartridge but it is not perfection to the point that its above improvement. If one wants heavy bullets (170ish grains) and has a strong rifle, the 7 x 57 holds a slight edge over its younger rival. In the 140ish grain arena, the 7mm-08 more than holds its own. In a short action, the 7 x 57 can't even enter the race.

I wish rifle manufacturers would still offer a 7 x 57 chambering but I know of no current production rifles that are offered in 7mm Mauser, except for custom makers. The 7mm Mauser isn't going away, it's too good of a cartridge and a lot of people know it. But I do think the 7mm-08 has taken the torch.
 

L Ross

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The 7 x 57 is an outstanding cartridge, which is pretty amazing when you consider when it was developed. And the 7 x 57 has a little more case capacity than the 7mm-08. However, the 7mm-08 has a few advantages over the 7mm Mauser. The data for the 7mm-08 was all established for strong, modern actions. In a strong action a reloader can compensate for some of that conservative data when reloading the 7 x 57.
The one area where the 7 x 57 cannot compete with the 7mm-08 is the action length required. The 7 x 57 will not fit in a short action but the 7mm-08 will.
The 7 x 57 is a medium length cartridge. There are some medium length actions out there (SAKO made a nice one years ago) but more often than not the 7mm Mauser gets paired with a long action.
The 7 x 57 IS an excellent cartridge but it is not perfection to the point that its above improvement. If one wants heavy bullets (170ish grains) and has a strong rifle, the 7 x 57 holds a slight edge over its younger rival. In the 140ish grain arena, the 7mm-08 more than holds its own. In a short action, the 7 x 57 can't even enter the race.

I wish rifle manufacturers would still offer a 7 x 57 chambering but I know of no current production rifles that are offered in 7mm Mauser, except for custom makers. The 7mm Mauser isn't going away, it's too good of a cartridge and a lot of people know it. But I do think the 7mm-08 has taken the torch.
While I understand the desirability of of the .308 length cartridges in automatic weapons for use in warfare, I do not understand the clamor for "short action" bolt action rifles. We hunt with bolt action rifles, and the tiny difference in action weight would be easily negated by the hunter spending a few minutes a day on a stair climber. Speed of reloading? If you need a speedy reload after shooting a game animal you have already failed, and the millisecond or two you save by bolting the fractionally shorter bolt through is unlikely to make up for that failure.

The 7mm-08 is a fine cartridge for whatever game we have here in North America before we get to elk. In the hands of a careful and patient hunter it certainly can take elk with the 140 grain bullet. Where the 7x57 shines is in its earlier iterations. Long, heavy for caliber bullets that penetrate and break bones like augers and typically exit. My experience with the use on heavier than deer size animals is thin, but I believe valid having killed 3 elk, 1 moose, and a 1,200 lb. feral Angus bull. All dropped with a single shot to the heart/lung area from quartering away, to quartering toward, to broadside. I shot the bull on the ground a second time, because you know the saying about messing with the bull. My bullet of choice for heavier game is the 175 grain Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer which was discontinued in the 1990's. Not sexy enough I am sure. 48.0 grains of IMR-4350 chronos at 2,640 fps.

All of the extra powder, muzzle blast, recoil, and a 24" barrel to get 200 fps more out of a 7 Remington Magnum never quite added up for me.

Joshua's choice of a 7mm-08 makes a lot of sense over a 7x57 because of the dearth of new 7x57's. I went the custom route back when I chose my rifle. 1939 Mauser action that had already been drilled, tapped, bolt beautifully changed for scope use. I put a Douglas XX premium 22" feather weight barrel in it and had the metal electroless nickel plated. It went into a Rimrock stock with a blind magazine and Model 700 trigger guard. Later pillar bedded by Borden after he bought out Rimrock. With Leupold Vari-X III 1.5x5 scope and a synthetic sling and 4 rounds it weighs at 6 3/4 lbs. As a tool the lines are beautiful, otherwise it fails aesthetically as my taste in custom rifles was corrupted by Jack O'Connor and gorgeous blue and walnut sporters are impractical in the field, and I never got one.

When the neighbor asked me for the use of a rifle to kill his Long Horn/Highland cross steer and Yak that were both too skittish to let the butcher get within 50 yards, I let him use the 7x57 and sure enough he got blood all over the rifle. A wet sponge cleaned it up in mere moments and a wipe with Ballistol took care of the rest.

When it comes to playing with guns and shooting my annual venison, I can fool around with a lot of guns and do. But when I need or want a dedicated hunting rifle to do a job, that 7x57 gets the nod and always will.

Mild recoil, modest muzzle blast, the ability to make brass from a common casing, excellent modern bullets, make Joshua's choice of a 7m-08 a very practical one, and one I'm certain he will not regret.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I'll be one of the odd men out. I don't own a 7-08, but I do a 7x57. The 154 and 160 gr jacketed bullets simply work AFAIC. Maybe it's because I'm shooting an old Mauser 93/95, forget which, with a long throat, but they group better for me than the lighter designs. Shoot 'em and see, that's the best advice I think.