9 mm problems

[Glaciers]

Ok more to the point is I bought a small ammo can of some 9mm from a guy who used to sell at every gun show. It was the early Obama years. So that can just went on the shelf. Terry sold ammo for years like that, with the previous administration bolstering his sales.
So I got this can out the other day and had some occasional failure to feed in a Ruger 85 and a Ruger Security 9. Then I tried this ammo in a Berreta 92fs and they would fire but failed to completely eject or feed the next round. This was consistent for each round. I reloaded with factory fodder and all was good.
So I broke down a round and the case was .754 in length, bullet 115 fmj, and 4.2 grains of an unknown powder. The bullet slid out with one whack of the inertia hammer, which my first though is it was a bit easy. Don't know. So I have 700 more rounds and feel like I need to pull all of the, I don't think I have a option if I want reliable ammo.
I have never reloaded for any semi auto, always been a revolver guy. Cartridges with rims are the correct form of life. But, I find that with the improvement of the semi auto, I find my interest growing. No Glocks please, I can't go there, don't like Tupperware.
So if I pull all of these I feel that I will have primed case and bullets that just need a proper dose of a known powder. But, what about neck tension? Or any other suggestions someone here on the forum might have. So being new to the semi auto reloading, I'm hoping one or a bunch of you guys can point the way.
Ok, even you Glock guy's please feel free to chime in. I just like hammers, kind of a revolver thing.

 

[Brad]

Failure to feed is often an OAL issue.
Failure to extract/eject is a bit tougher. The not ejecting and not feeding the next round tells me you need more oomph. Recoil energy isn’t enough to overcome the action spring.

My suggestion can be summed up in 2 letters.

CZ

 

[RBHarter]

Pull the decapping pin , size , flair , charge , seat bullet , repeat from sizing .

I load of each step generally the window divided by 10 throwing out the min and max charge .
Shoot each step on a target . Groups will generally come down to POA but not always . It's good practice for your weak side supported . This and only loading 5 in 8,10-15 round mags will generally show up load feed issues and "limp wristing" .
3" at 25 yd and clean cycling is about the best most folks do with defensive types weak side .

 

[Glaciers]

Failure to feed is often an OAL issue.
Failure to extract/eject is a bit tougher. The not ejecting and not feeding the next round tells me you need more oomph. Recoil energy isn’t enough to overcome the action spring.

My suggestion can be summed up in 2 letters.

CZ

I did not check the OAL, but I will.
I was thinking a hotter load or maybe not enough tension on the bullet.
As far as the CZ's go, well I'm on SS and my wife cut off my allowance. You must still be working to have a CZ.
Yeah I got what I've got, other loads work fine, so I'm thinking there's a problem with this batch of loads from Terry. I'm not going to mess with springs till I get to know the pistol better.

 

[Ian]

Pull the decapping pin , size , flair , charge , seat bullet , repeat from sizing .

^^^^This. Add "apply light taper crimp in separate step" after seat bullet. At least the bullets will knock out easy X700.

 

[Dusty Bannister]

Does anyone think that perhaps the crimp is a bit too light so the ignition is venting too much as the powder burns. I would be certain that enough taper crimp is in place to prevent the bullet setting back as it is chambered if I thought I might just try to shoot them as is.

Fail to feed, also suggests being just a little low on pressure to push the slide far enough to the rear to pick up the next round in the magazine. If a better taper crimp does not take care of the issue, then post #3 is probably the best solution.

 

[Brad]

Before I pulled a bunch I would try adding just a little, and I mean a little, more taper crimp.
I have found that too much taper crimp actually makes the bullet loose.

 

[Glaciers]

Dusty and Brad I was thinking about checking OAL and adjusting if needed, then try increasing the crimp a little. The lite pull could mean poor ignition. Going to try that first. Certainly don't want to pull that many bullets, it's not my idea of a good time.

 

[Glaciers]

Well the cartridges are 1.145 which is well within spec. So I want to try improving the crimp with the hopes of a simple cure. Alright I have a new set of Hornady 3 die set, brand new just opened for the first time, and a 4 die set of LEE 9mm which has a FCD. So would the FCD, used lightly work for this maneuver?
I will say again, I'm not familiar with the 9mm & 45ACP style of cases with the taper crimp, or cases that head space on the shoulder. And thanks again for the suggestions.

 

[Ian]

The Lee FCD for autopistol cartridges has a carbide sizing ring and a taper crimp shoulder in it. The sizing ring is fine for jax of nominal diameter but can wreak havoc on cast bullet neck tension. What the sizing ring does is idiot-proof your ammo so it will for certain chamber if you bulged it with too much crimp or whatever would happen to make the stuff not chamber. Not a fan of Hornaday dies, especially not their "profile" crimp die, but give it a go and see.

If the case is adequately resized, the bullet should never be able to set back even with no crimp. Most of the purpose of the taper crimp is streamline the case for smooth feeding.

Unless you're really getting "western" when you swat the inertial puller, it should take more than one whack to eject a bullet.

I don't think that lack of tension or crimp is going to make the difference between cycling or not. There is little room in that tiny case and with most powders, peak pressure will be achieved within half an inch of bullet travel.

 

[Glaciers]

I was expecting to have to give a couple of whacks and was a little surprised with the ease the bullet came out on the first hit. Well it sounds like I need to experiment a little.. Might run a couple over the chronograph just to see if the velocity is in the ball park.

 

[Brad]

Chrony will give some indication.

 

[Tomme boy]

If it is too light, seat the bullet deeper if it still will feed it.

 

[fiver]

that'll surely speed them up. [and raise the pressure quite a bit] don't get carried away.

if your not getting good extraction, and your not picking up the next round, you got no oomph.
4grs sounds like a load of uniqueish type powder speed which should totally operate a nine.
little on the lightish side but not under loaded.
if herco was subbed in,, yeah light.

 

[Winelover]

4.2 grains is about right, if the powder is Bullseye. If it's Unique, might be a tad light. Pull the barrel and do a plunk test, to determine OAL for correct chambering. If too long, do as Tomme boy suggests and taper crimp. I'm partial to the RCBS's die which can be purchased individually. Your broken down load, doesn't show what kind of crimp Terry used. Hopefully, not rolled crimped.

 

[fiver]

bulls-eye should operate a 9 at 3grs with no issues.
I shoot 3.2 with red-dot or bulls-eye using a 130gr. bullet as my main bulk loading, and have no problems in several different guns.

 

[Glaciers]

Yeah I going to run a few over the coronagraph before and after trying the re-crimp. Hopefully that will show something constructive. Not wanting to pull 700 bullets, Which I will do rather then waste the FMJ bullets and primers by trying to single shot then in a semi auto. Which I had a 9mm revolver.
But first, it hit -19 last night and my plumbing repair to my second bathroom froze up. So I must have missed a spot with the foam insulation. It worked last night, but, not this morning. Hot water line is going fine so it might be ok, but..... It was not exactly along side of the cold pipe so it might survive. Can always tap into the hot water for the toilet. Shower in the main bathroom looks like the only option for now repair requires some T&G removal in the corner of the living room. Did I mention I'm getting tired of cold country. Might have.

 

[fiver]

well you could poof all of them off into a snow bank then get them back next spring and shoot them again next winter.

 

[Glaciers]

well you could poof all of them off into a snow bank then get them back next spring and shoot them again next winter.

That's the plan for all calibers as I did not get my sand filled back stop made yet. I use the snow blower to pile up lots of snow.

 

[Winelover]

bulls-eye should operate a 9 at 3grs with no issues.
I shoot 3.2 with red-dot or bulls-eye using a 130gr. bullet as my main bulk loading, and have no problems in several different guns.

Big difference between a 130 and a 115 grain bullet in that small of a case.