Major Weather Weirdness
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Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
At one point or another, pretty much everything was under water. An amateur geologist I knew when I was a kid in Scouts went out west someplace that was maybe 3-5K above sea level and was astounded to find sea shell fossils at that elevation. At that time it was somewhat unusual to make claims like that we were told.
IMO weather and climate have a lot more to do with the sun and oceans than anything else.
IMO weather and climate have a lot more to do with the sun and oceans than anything else.
I agree with the sun being a major contributor as well. Pretty well proven that the sun's output is not consistent nor is even the size of the sun. Climate on earth has been fluctuating since the formation of the planet, that it does so now is a surprise? 100 years of recording temperature and rainfall is not even the blink of an eye compared to Billions of years of continuous weather change. The only thing consistent with weather patterns is that it continually changes and always will.
Pistolero
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Going to hit upper 80s here today. Heading out to mow some more.
And 10,000 years ago there was a 2 km thick ice sheet in Nebraska. I was up there last year
and it is GONE!
Back to my point. The weather varies. A lot.
The rocks I hit with my mower are limestone -- because all of Kansas was once under a huge shallow sea.
It's all gone, too.
Bill
And 10,000 years ago there was a 2 km thick ice sheet in Nebraska. I was up there last year
and it is GONE!
Back to my point. The weather varies. A lot.
The rocks I hit with my mower are limestone -- because all of Kansas was once under a huge shallow sea.
It's all gone, too.
Bill
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Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Could you teach my wife to do that?
I remember 1993 or 4 in Long Lake NY. More than 30 straight days where the high never got above 0F. Not 32F/0C, no, FAHRENHEIT! That was supposed to be in the middle of the warming trend. Neighbor Chris who posts here had -52F, my thermometer read -48F, call it 50 below and that's plenty cold!
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Ian
Notorious member
Now somebody 'splain this to me. While hiking the mountains about 50 miles outside Meeker, CO, I spotted a lone chunk of weathered limestone off in the weeds a considerable distance from the trail. It appeared to have been there for eons, nowhere near a road or man-made structure, but looked quite out of place among the pink granite and brown/red dirt. If an "Injun" carried it there, he had made a very, very long journey to find it.
fiver
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just north of Meeker there is miles and miles of delineated limestone.
some of it so broke down it forms a choking dust that's like breathing cement dust.
I have driven through old river beds out there that are nothing but ribbons in the desert of the stuff.
go some east and more north of that limestone and you run into square miles of red oxidized iron filled dirt surrounding the red desert.
those little seashells Bret mentions are all over Utah and Idaho, they are usually found on the bare grass hillsides at about 6500-7K feet.
they are left over from lake Bonneville which covered half of Utah and Idaho, parts of Wyoming and Nevada.
it broke through and drained jeezus like dinosaur million years back leaving the great salt lake behind.
it supported a lot of life while it existed though.
alligators were found where sagebrush is now, camels and ancient horses roamed it's banks.
volcano's were running rampant all over this area creating islands in the lake and just mucking up the landscape in general.
some of it so broke down it forms a choking dust that's like breathing cement dust.
I have driven through old river beds out there that are nothing but ribbons in the desert of the stuff.
go some east and more north of that limestone and you run into square miles of red oxidized iron filled dirt surrounding the red desert.
those little seashells Bret mentions are all over Utah and Idaho, they are usually found on the bare grass hillsides at about 6500-7K feet.
they are left over from lake Bonneville which covered half of Utah and Idaho, parts of Wyoming and Nevada.
it broke through and drained jeezus like dinosaur million years back leaving the great salt lake behind.
it supported a lot of life while it existed though.
alligators were found where sagebrush is now, camels and ancient horses roamed it's banks.
volcano's were running rampant all over this area creating islands in the lake and just mucking up the landscape in general.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
Volcanoes have no manners at all.
The Salton Sea's shoreline and surrounding areas have all sorts of clam and other shellfish species "fossils" laying around. These are freshwater mollusks that originated in the Colorado River, the source of the many ideations of Lake Cahuilla that came and went with frequency in the southernmost part of Kalifornistan. The last naturally-occurring ideation was gone by about 1700 C.E., though the Southern Pacific almost did a re-creation with their irrigation screw-up in 1904. It took 18 months of work to talk the Colorado River out of refilling Lake Cahuilla and submerging the Coachella and Imperial Valleys under 100-300 feet of fresh water (again) and turning the nation's rail link between Los Angeles and New Orleans into "submarine access only". Had SPRR not been able to get a handle on those floodwaters, the result could have had long-term effects on our nation's agricultural output and on our ability to feed ourselves. Small wonder that dams began sprouting up along the Colorado River within a short time after staving off existential disaster. We really dodged a bullet with that bit.
Nothing is as constant as change.
The Salton Sea's shoreline and surrounding areas have all sorts of clam and other shellfish species "fossils" laying around. These are freshwater mollusks that originated in the Colorado River, the source of the many ideations of Lake Cahuilla that came and went with frequency in the southernmost part of Kalifornistan. The last naturally-occurring ideation was gone by about 1700 C.E., though the Southern Pacific almost did a re-creation with their irrigation screw-up in 1904. It took 18 months of work to talk the Colorado River out of refilling Lake Cahuilla and submerging the Coachella and Imperial Valleys under 100-300 feet of fresh water (again) and turning the nation's rail link between Los Angeles and New Orleans into "submarine access only". Had SPRR not been able to get a handle on those floodwaters, the result could have had long-term effects on our nation's agricultural output and on our ability to feed ourselves. Small wonder that dams began sprouting up along the Colorado River within a short time after staving off existential disaster. We really dodged a bullet with that bit.
Nothing is as constant as change.
smokeywolf
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Pretty good rain last night. Very gusty winds today.
RBHarter
West Central AR
The state fossil of Nevada is the Ictheosuarus (I think that's right but it's why we call it icky fish) . It's cleanest example lives in a dig just south of Ione Nv at close to 7,000 ft .
My favorite example of climate change is that 10,000 yr ago the were iceburgs in Martha's vineyard , and probably sea ice every winter .
La Nina and El Ninõ are great examples of how much nature cares what we think . Marlin 15 miles off the coast Oregon and blues being a regular thing all one season off San Francisco was pretty odd . Them and the great whites are probably what has run the Salmon runs all amuck with 3-4 wet winter's and the warm Pacific current running so far north made it pretty easy for them eat a whole run which then doesn't come back to spawn .........
I also love to make the example of the volcanic vents in 5,000+ with whole ecosystems living on them in 800° F water ......heat rises and although it dissapates during it's rise to the surface if you heat enough long enough it's going to raise the temperature of the whole and probably change the flow speeds and the range of effect .
Then I run across the city dweller save the world guy ..." Do you use air-conditioning ? " , " Yeah " , " refrigerated or evaporative" , it always A/C . Then I'm like do you know what a BTU is ? Shows them the wiki dictionary answer . LA county has 8 million people in it that's 2,000,000 homes at 50,000 /hr 6-10 hr a day from April thru September . 5 times 20 , times 8 , times 180 days add 5 zeros . Divide by 640 . That's how many square miles of water you can boil 1 foot deep with the heat exchange exhausted into the air around your house ........ I wonder why it's warmer down wind , don't you ?
Sorry numbers , hot water , sulphur emissions ........
My favorite example of climate change is that 10,000 yr ago the were iceburgs in Martha's vineyard , and probably sea ice every winter .
La Nina and El Ninõ are great examples of how much nature cares what we think . Marlin 15 miles off the coast Oregon and blues being a regular thing all one season off San Francisco was pretty odd . Them and the great whites are probably what has run the Salmon runs all amuck with 3-4 wet winter's and the warm Pacific current running so far north made it pretty easy for them eat a whole run which then doesn't come back to spawn .........
I also love to make the example of the volcanic vents in 5,000+ with whole ecosystems living on them in 800° F water ......heat rises and although it dissapates during it's rise to the surface if you heat enough long enough it's going to raise the temperature of the whole and probably change the flow speeds and the range of effect .
Then I run across the city dweller save the world guy ..." Do you use air-conditioning ? " , " Yeah " , " refrigerated or evaporative" , it always A/C . Then I'm like do you know what a BTU is ? Shows them the wiki dictionary answer . LA county has 8 million people in it that's 2,000,000 homes at 50,000 /hr 6-10 hr a day from April thru September . 5 times 20 , times 8 , times 180 days add 5 zeros . Divide by 640 . That's how many square miles of water you can boil 1 foot deep with the heat exchange exhausted into the air around your house ........ I wonder why it's warmer down wind , don't you ?
Sorry numbers , hot water , sulphur emissions ........
