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Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Baldwin is well known for his drug use and violent temper. And reports indicate his union cameramen walked off the set just before this happened. The gun, it's wasn't a prop obviously, had a live round (it went through the decaeased and into the other victim) and Baldwin pulled the trigger. I can't understand why anyone is looking at anybody other than Baldwin. If they were filming there should be footage of the events. A druggie hot head who just had part of his crew walk off on a project he was having trouble funding.....sounds like a good explanation of a murder to me.

He will face the same punishment as Ted Kennedy.
 
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Petrol & Powder

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I have no use for Alec Baldwin but the current information all points to a tragic accident, not a malicious act or even a grossly negligent act.

As for the label “Prop Gun”, that includes REAL guns. A prop gun is not necessarily a non-firing replica gun. Real guns are frequently used on TV and Movie sets. Those real guns are sometimes loaded with dummy rounds (to give the illusion of a loaded gun in the performance) or with blanks (when the scene calls for the gun to be fired as part of the performance). But prop guns are often real guns.

Actors trust their fellow crew members when handling guns on set. As much as I dislike Baldwin, there is no evidence, at this point, that he was under the influence of drugs at the time or that he had ANY intention to harm the woman that was killed.

Let’s wait for the ALL of the facts.
 

Charles Graff

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What does that have to do with anything in this conversation. Sure happens all the time but it has nothing to do with any of this. Mostly such scenes are done as part of a second unit filming such inserts off location and not on the set during principal filming.
Maybe nothing, and maybe something. The film is a low, low budget deal that would probably never see the inside of a theater. They had labor problems at that with six camera operators walking off the job the morning of, over pay, contract and safety issues. So, I am not sure all of the protocols and safety precautions you are familiar with were present on this set when the gun went bang. I am considering the possibility that the live ammo in the gun was an attempt to sabotage the film. Such things happen. At any rate, Baldwin was pointing a loaded gun at the Cinematographer while he pulled the trigger. The round went through and though and hit the Director standing behind. As I said in my first post "res ipsa loquiter", the thing speaks for itself. There were some serious screw ups on the set of this film. I rather doubt your vast experience will cover what happened that day. They didn't do things your way. Seems more like a Chinese Fire Drill that a first rate movie production. I feel certain that the Underwriters are taking a long hard look at the insurance policy looking for a back door out of the contract.
 
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waco

Springfield, Oregon
Didn't know what that meant till earlier today.

Where have you been, Walter? I spent a night in Eugene on our way to Puyallup and back. Pretty country.
Just getting wrapped up in other hobbies. I’m still here!
 
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Charles Graff

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Looks like the daughter of Thell Reed is being named as the weapons person. 24 years old and fresh out of college. Certainly more info about this incident in the British news than the US.


UK Daily Mail Article
Thanks for the link...very informative. My instinct tells me the girl had a serious case of cranial rectal inversion. We can be certain that when a savage Tort lawyer who eats raw meat and nails for breakfast sinks his teeth into this case, we will find out what happened. These guys are more motivated ($$$$$$$) than the police.
 
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Petrol & Powder

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Looks like the daughter of Thell Reed is being named as the weapons person. 24 years old and fresh out of college. Certainly more info about this incident in the British news than the US.


UK Daily Mail Article
Thank you for the link.

Despite her youth, It doesn't appear she was a total novice.
That doesn't preclude the possibility that she made a huge mistake.
Charles is correct, it will be the civil attorneys that sink their teeth into this one.
 

blackthorn

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The bottom line here is that a promising, young life has been lost and a second person injured. May she rest in piece! Time will determine what happened and who screwed up.

ATTENTION, THREAD DRIFT---- What in the world dose "Let's go Brandon" refer to (mean)? I keep seeing this phrase cropping up here and there and I have NO idea to its origins.
 

Charles Graff

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The bottom line here is that a promising, young life has been lost and a second person injured. May she rest in piece! Time will determine what happened and who screwed up.

ATTENTION, THREAD DRIFT---- What in the world dose "Let's go Brandon" refer to (mean)? I keep seeing this phrase cropping up here and there and I have NO idea to its origins.
A few weeks ago, a young reporter was reporting from a stock car race. As he was broadcasting the crowd was yelling "F<<< Joe Biden". When asked what the crowd was yelling he replied "Let's go Brandon". Brandon being one of the drivers. Apparently the reporter told a fib. Therefor Lets go Brandon has become code for F"""" Joe Biden.
 
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popper

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Infamous outlaw Rust - pretty made up name. My guess, not a prop gun but one of the armorer's. Stuff happens when nobody is paying attention. Baldwin is also the producer, so it's his $ paying for the film. Probably a 'tax' motivated movie anyway.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I was so hoping for LGB to end up Liquor , Guns , and Breasts ...... :(

It took me months to figure out , or care what fjb was all about .

At this point I'd almost rather be enduring Run for the ________ 202? , than what we have going on .

I think I want to go start a clip/mag war on FB since I have a couple of factory mags stamped CLIP and a truck load of 45 ACP clips .

Huey p Long "It doesn't matter what they're saying about you as long as they keep talking about you and keep your name up front you're going to win" .

Some cop said in reference to an OJ type case "if they're tried in the streets and papers it means very little what the court outcome says" .

If you have 5 safeties with 3 security steps and the one of them is bypassed and not counter checked by the last one then the safety and security failed .
I worked on an ammo depot and we had accidents . Most of the time it was scratched paint , occasionally it was really exciting , less often it was really expensive , in 40 years however there were only a dozen or so permanent anatomical adjustments and 2 bad days . One of those bad days was caused by a blatant disregard for a safety that was in place to prevent the exact situation that resulted in 5 fatalities and a head count and reviews over 2 weeks to positively ID 3 of them . The 2nd was big news and a USMC officer was deemed negligent in and accident that was infact an incredibly rare set of circumstances coupled with a misfire and failure to follow standards within a live fire combat sim training on a no moon pitch black night .

Kind of a common thread , safety steps not checked , and nobody checked the last step or stopped the process when they saw something wrong or a skipped step .
Complacency happens you do the same job 50 , 100 ,500 , 5,000 times and it all goes according to plan . I was guilty of it but I was also painfully aware that it only takes 1 time and your widow to have the choice of a shoe box in the garden , a Dixie cup of ashes or a bronzed safety shoe .
 

smokeywolf

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In the end, the producer and director are responsible for conditions and protocols on the set. They are supposed to adhere to industry standards and OSHA regs. They are supposed to put the safety of actors and crew ahead of all other factors; that includes shooting schedules and production overhead.

I lost a friend, Tim Holcombe, a prop-maker on the Spiderman set because the director just had to "get the shot in the can" before the end of the day.

I don't remember a single project where a producer or director lost his or her life as a result of production shortcuts or cost-cutting.
No matter how you slice it, the responsibility comes back to the producer. Especially if that producer is on the set.
 
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blackthorn

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A few weeks ago, a young reporter was reporting from a stock car race. As he was broadcasting the crowd was yelling "F<<< Joe Biden". When asked what the crowd was yelling he replied "Let's go Brandon". Brandon being one of the drivers. Apparently the reporter told a fib. Therefor Lets go Brandon has become code for F"""" Joe Biden.
Thanks for the explanation Charles. Up here we need a similar (print friendly) substitute for "F<<<<Justin Trudeau"!!!!
 

smokeywolf

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One thing that, to me, is conspicuous by its absence. Nowhere have I read or heard mention of an on-set medic. Pretty sure that is a requirement on location shoots of this sort. Did they have one and what actions did he or she take?
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Thanks for the explanation Charles. Up here we need a similar (print friendly) substitute for "F<<<<Justin Trudeau"!!!!
Bugger , procreate , Thumbs up (Russian accent) , .......a little exploration of French , English and Aussie/Zee lander one should be able to come up with something suitable .
" Under Command of the King Trudeau ".
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Thanks for the explanation Charles. Up here we need a similar (print friendly) substitute for "F<<<<Justin Trudeau"!!!!
Find a Newfie, I'm sure he can come up with a string of words that defy understanding while at the same time uttering multiple profanities and calling The Pretty Boy just what he really is. Pretty sure it will start with, "Lard soofrin Jazus!!!
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
One thing that, to me, is conspicuous by its absence. Nowhere have I read or heard mention of an on-set medic. Pretty sure that is a requirement on location shoots of this sort. Did they have one and what actions did he or she take?
I know nothing about the film industry other than what I've learned from you guys here, but my impression of things is that "rules" don't always apply to "the right" people.
 

smokeywolf

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Rick is likely to know more than I do about requirements for medics on location sets where guns, knives, horses are used almost daily.
 

Rick

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Pretty sure on set medics is a state and union regulation. This was certainly not a union production and I have no idea what New Mexico requires. A through and through gun shot wound and there would be little they could do anyway besides call 911.
 

JonB

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according to News.Sky.com there was a Medic on site as per reports about the 911 call.
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When asked if there is "any serious bleeding", Ms Mitchell says: "I don't know. I ran out of the building."

She then tells the operator she is not sure if Hutchins and Souza are "completely alert".

Ms Mitchell is clearly desperate for an ambulance to be sent to the scene and is too preoccupied to answer the handler's routine questions.

An unidentified male voice then comes to the phone and tells the operator the two people who were shot are "alert" but he is not sure what parts of their bodies were injured.

He later says he believes Hutchins and Souza each have one wound.

The call handler then confirms an ambulance is on its way and tells the man she will explain how he can help stop the bleeding.

The male caller tells her a medic is on set and he believes they are already doing that.

Referring to one of the shooting victims, he then adds "we got one laying down".



 
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