L Ross
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No, but it pays to be there with a sponge to clean up some of that burst bubble.
Population, guns, and economies
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Petrol & Powder
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/\ An INCREDIBLE amount and they are still seeking more /\
Petrol & Powder
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What does that "No" apply to? That the bubble will burst or that the supply chain isn't as robust as we thought?
Lots of preparers out there. Bet many have 100 rolls of TP alongside the ammo. And tuna. And water.
Petrol & Powder
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YEP !
And even if they aren't "Preppers", fear is a POWERFUL motivator. People often buy things out of fear that they will not be able to obtain it in the future. Fear that they may need it. Fear that it will become more expensive, or some other fear.
Petrol & Powder
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Go into any grocery store in the southeastern U.S. and 350+ days out of the year there will be more bread on the shelves than they can possibly sell. They throw away stale bread daily. People buy stale bread at reduced cost and feed it to hogs. We have more bread than we know what to do with.
Go into any of those stores when there is a forecast of snow or right after it snows - the bread shelves look like a Soviet era store in Moscow.
It's insane and it happens every time.
Go into any of those stores when there is a forecast of snow or right after it snows - the bread shelves look like a Soviet era store in Moscow.
It's insane and it happens every time.
Glaciers
Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
From the article linked in the first post:
How Many Guns are in the US? [2024]
After fighting for their independence, the founding fathers enshrined Americans’ right to firearms in the Second Amendment.americangunfacts.com
"......32% of Americans say they personally own a firearm according to the 2021 National Firearms Survey. This means that more than 81.4 million Americans own guns. ...."
".......The United States has a lot of guns, especially for a massive, peaceful, and prosperous country. In fact, about 1/3 of all the civilian guns in the world are in the hands of Americans.........."
".........There are estimated to be over 400 million guns in the United States between police, the military, and American civilians. Over 393 Million (Over 98%) of those guns are in civilian hands, the equivalent of 120 firearms per 100 citizens......."
Well what I want to know is when they called around for this survey how many people said nope, no guns in this house. I have been surveyed twice and my answer is always no don’t own guns. How many on this forum are trusting enough to say “sure I own guns”.
So my point is I believe the ownership of firearms is higher, maybe one in three.
Petrol & Powder
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That is very likely to be true.
If it is true, then the power of that consumer group is even greater.
fiver
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the flip side is how many gun owners have 20-30-50 guns?
those are generally the guys that also have 50-K rounds.
they may or may not be shooting often [during normal times anyway]
so the shortage comes down to... people flat out buying whatever, and continuing to buy whatever they find instead of their old stand by's.
i see the same thing over on the other forums.
can i swap primers?
i just got some clays i've never used it before... etc.
everyday it's the same 2-3 questions about swapping components.
then over to a general loading forum.
can i use these primers?
any ideas on using this powder i found at the swap meet?
why,,, why would you just buy new components you've never used before, or buy stuff you got no idea whether you can even use, let alone have enough experience to figure out how to use it.
those are generally the guys that also have 50-K rounds.
they may or may not be shooting often [during normal times anyway]
so the shortage comes down to... people flat out buying whatever, and continuing to buy whatever they find instead of their old stand by's.
i see the same thing over on the other forums.
can i swap primers?
i just got some clays i've never used it before... etc.
everyday it's the same 2-3 questions about swapping components.
then over to a general loading forum.
can i use these primers?
any ideas on using this powder i found at the swap meet?
why,,, why would you just buy new components you've never used before, or buy stuff you got no idea whether you can even use, let alone have enough experience to figure out how to use it.
Petrol & Powder
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Panics feed on themselves.
It not the shortage of the items in question, it's the shortage caused by the panic.
For whatever reason, a year or so ago people panicked about toilet paper. When other people went to the stores and saw empty shelves, that only fed the panic. Those events become self-sustaining and are not based in logic.
Most of us have seen the movie "It's a Wonderful Life",......remember the scene concerning the run on the bank?
Once the panic sets in, it spreads. When it spreads, the panic feeds on itself.
There's no need for weird speculation or wild conspiracy theory - it's just people.
It not the shortage of the items in question, it's the shortage caused by the panic.
For whatever reason, a year or so ago people panicked about toilet paper. When other people went to the stores and saw empty shelves, that only fed the panic. Those events become self-sustaining and are not based in logic.
Most of us have seen the movie "It's a Wonderful Life",......remember the scene concerning the run on the bank?
Once the panic sets in, it spreads. When it spreads, the panic feeds on itself.
There's no need for weird speculation or wild conspiracy theory - it's just people.
L Ross
Well-Known Member
The"No" applied to the difficult to see it part. Us old guys have seen this too many times not to recognize the cycles.
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Tomme boy
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Then explain the empty Remington ammo plant if they are running full steam ahead. There is demand, but not at the level they are stating. We are being fed a line along the lines of the virus. And if you can't see it then put your mask on and keep buying it.
Like i said. if you have a monopoly you can create a shortage with an email. The same thing happened to Wolf ammo in the early 2000s. The cases of 39 and 223 were around $80/1K. They seen what brass case was going for and they held back the ammo from distributors for 6 months and released very little. The price went up to $175/1K And then the ammo was released to the distributors. This was well known back there in the AK world and the people just sucked it up and paid the price. But it was still cheaper than brass cased and thats what most people care about.
The cost has not gone up that much on manufacturing this stuff. Not a 2-300% increase that is being charged now. Yah it is capitolistic to get as much as you can. but since it has to do with guns, it will never be broke up like any other monopiles are.
Like i said. if you have a monopoly you can create a shortage with an email. The same thing happened to Wolf ammo in the early 2000s. The cases of 39 and 223 were around $80/1K. They seen what brass case was going for and they held back the ammo from distributors for 6 months and released very little. The price went up to $175/1K And then the ammo was released to the distributors. This was well known back there in the AK world and the people just sucked it up and paid the price. But it was still cheaper than brass cased and thats what most people care about.
The cost has not gone up that much on manufacturing this stuff. Not a 2-300% increase that is being charged now. Yah it is capitolistic to get as much as you can. but since it has to do with guns, it will never be broke up like any other monopiles are.
Petrol & Powder
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Then you recognize the cycle always ends when a bubble grows and then bursts.
I, like you, have seen gasoline shortages, coffee shortages, antifreeze shortages, TOILET paper shortages, ammunition shortages, components shortages, money shortages, and shortages of reason.
Petrol & Powder
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We need not address speculation and conspiracy theories. We've been through this all before.
CZ93X62
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Yeah, it's madness out there in several venues. Situation--NORMAL.
Saw a post in another forum I infest earlier today concerning CCI Mil-Spec primers (#34 & #41) at Brownells--$105 per 1K, before shipping or HazMat (maybe that is included, but I doubt it). Mind you, Brownell's has never been known as a discount outlet--full boat retail, each and every day. It appears they have now become predatory FLIPPERS during these times of scarcity. That an old-line firm like Brownell's has plumbed such depths is very disappointing to me.
Saw a post in another forum I infest earlier today concerning CCI Mil-Spec primers (#34 & #41) at Brownells--$105 per 1K, before shipping or HazMat (maybe that is included, but I doubt it). Mind you, Brownell's has never been known as a discount outlet--full boat retail, each and every day. It appears they have now become predatory FLIPPERS during these times of scarcity. That an old-line firm like Brownell's has plumbed such depths is very disappointing to me.
Tomme boy
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Brownells bought up a few of the powder and primer distributors and retailers in the midwest about 8-9 years ago. Only one is still in business. They are using the playbook from the other big players. And no that is not a conspiracy theory.
You still cant say why remingtons plant was empty on a midweek day in the middle of the day when they were supposedly running 24/7 7 days a week. And back then they pushed the same thing of people were panic buying. I seen it for myself firsthand.
You still cant say why remingtons plant was empty on a midweek day in the middle of the day when they were supposedly running 24/7 7 days a week. And back then they pushed the same thing of people were panic buying. I seen it for myself firsthand.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
As long as people are willing to shell out $105 per K for primers that cost $27-$31/1000 2 years ago......this pricing idiocy will continue. Once it starts costing these buccaneers money to store that merchandise, they'll start moving it at reasonable pricing. Sometimes consumers are their own worst enemy.
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
My position; I stocked up from 2008 to 2012 when prices were high, but things were available. While I am low on SP primers, good for everything else, buying at yard sales and closeouts. However, inflation is weakening my position, as my pension is less than inflation and expenses are more for medical and gasoline increases. My solution is to shoot more pistol with LP primers and worry less about the rest of the world.