Reloading for 45 Auto Rim in S&W 1917
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Charles Graff
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I fail to see how roughing up smooth surfaces would reduce friction. To reduce friction, use a good hard stone, to smooth out any high spots.
RBHarter
West Central AR
Reduced contact area . One side slick one jeweled ......... Oil film retention ..... I only have a couple of really nice triggers , the result of care in the original assembly and a lifetime of wear ....maybe several .
Function over form I suppose , if form happens to be an asthetic cool .
Function over form I suppose , if form happens to be an asthetic cool .
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
The "it creates less friction" idea sold a lot of jeweling jobs. I believe the idea came from someplace in the aircraft industry. In reality, it was done for looks back when it was popular as gun "bling", think "The California look" roll over Monte Carlos Weatherby popularized. There are no doubt applications where it would be a great idea. A Mauser 98 bolt or the sides of S+W hammer that shouldn't be in contact with anything apart from the pin bosses, that's "bling". If someone likes it, go for it!
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L Ross
Well-Known Member
Bling, much like tattoos and lip rings on otherwise pretty women?
Charles Graff
Moderator Emeritus
Early S&W DA revolvers had "chaffing bushings" on the hammer and trigger, to keep them from contacting the frame. My 1913 38 Special HE has them and they are wonderful gizmos, but proved to expensive. There are folks who sell slip on bushings that do the same things and in theory slick up the DA revolvers. That said, there is no way jeweling reduces contact with the frame and as you said, is just bling. Just another example of some guy selling something that is not needed with slick talk. But hey, everybody has to eat, but I am not buying their lunch.
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CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
A young Federal Special Agent friend of mine is a notorious "Glock Whore."
I try to mentor on such things as the care and feeding of wheelguns, and he refers to them as my "Emotional Support Guns".
He is a Philistine.
Those Glockophiles can be a strident lot at time.
Charles Graff
Moderator Emeritus
A young Federal Special Agent friend of mine is a notorious "Glock Whore."
I try to mentor on such things as the care and feeding of wheelguns, and he refers to them as my "Emotional Support Guns".
And another generation of leg shooters is born to carry on the tradition.
Hey Now, no need to be name calling. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. After all opinions are like blanks, everybody has one.
I like Revolvers, 1911's, Lugers, and old Walthers.
And if I carried a Handgun every day, as a Police Officer, Military Personnel or Private Citizen.
It would be a................
GLOCK
Don't like "plastic" pistols, but I received a .40cal as a gift when they first came out. And the simple fact, that Glock 23 has NEVER malfunctioned in 20,000+ Rds. It would be the one I would Conceal Carry. A Glock 21 if not concealed.
And I love Revolvers, in Particular S&W N frames. That old 1937/1917 is a real big favorite of mine.
I like Revolvers, 1911's, Lugers, and old Walthers.
And if I carried a Handgun every day, as a Police Officer, Military Personnel or Private Citizen.
It would be a................
GLOCK
Don't like "plastic" pistols, but I received a .40cal as a gift when they first came out. And the simple fact, that Glock 23 has NEVER malfunctioned in 20,000+ Rds. It would be the one I would Conceal Carry. A Glock 21 if not concealed.
And I love Revolvers, in Particular S&W N frames. That old 1937/1917 is a real big favorite of mine.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
I like tools that WORK. Glocks WORK, and very well. A Glock 23 figures highly in my carry rotation. It is the Cult Following for the pistols that I find annoying. You would think Gaston Glock discovered a new planet with sentient life forms within easy driving distance. It is a PISTOL. Reliable self-loading sidearms have been around for 120 years. Get over yourselves, Grockers.
I like both bottom-feeders and roller-pistols. I like big, heavy bullets at moderate velocities for solving problems with armed 2-legged predators. The caliber for said projects should start with a decimal numeral of "4" or a metric numeral of "1". The S&W Model 625 pleases me on a number of fronts, now that I have "held hands" with it. To me, it's all about the power of the round projected. Maj. Gen. Hatcher got it right.
I like both bottom-feeders and roller-pistols. I like big, heavy bullets at moderate velocities for solving problems with armed 2-legged predators. The caliber for said projects should start with a decimal numeral of "4" or a metric numeral of "1". The S&W Model 625 pleases me on a number of fronts, now that I have "held hands" with it. To me, it's all about the power of the round projected. Maj. Gen. Hatcher got it right.
CZ,
I couldn't agree more. Folks think the Glock is a modern innovation.
No True. H & K pioneered the polymer frame, the rest of the Glock comes from assorted earlier handgun designs.
Which is what Gaston Glock said himself. He just studied previous firearm design.
He was just the first to put it all together in a Workable package.
The H & K VP70 was not intended as a regular holster pistol. But a substitute for larger Submachine Guns.
I couldn't agree more. Folks think the Glock is a modern innovation.
No True. H & K pioneered the polymer frame, the rest of the Glock comes from assorted earlier handgun designs.
Which is what Gaston Glock said himself. He just studied previous firearm design.
He was just the first to put it all together in a Workable package.
The H & K VP70 was not intended as a regular holster pistol. But a substitute for larger Submachine Guns.
L Ross
Well-Known Member
My HR 218 carry gun is my old Glock duty 36. I managed not to shoot anyone in 43 years at two different agencies and I sure as heck hope I never have to shoot anyone the rest of my days. If you had to use your side arm you know darned well it might be a long time before you got it back if ever. I wouldn't lose a moments sleep over that rugged little ugly piece of dependable plastic.
Ian
Notorious member
Speaking of opinions....
I repect the Glock. I know how to use the Glock. I am happy that many citizens and LEOs are well-armed with a Glock. However, unless there is no other option and I am in need of a good pistol, I will not spend money in a Glock because I simply don't like the way they look or point.
I choose a good 1911 or DA .38 revolver.
I repect the Glock. I know how to use the Glock. I am happy that many citizens and LEOs are well-armed with a Glock. However, unless there is no other option and I am in need of a good pistol, I will not spend money in a Glock because I simply don't like the way they look or point.
I choose a good 1911 or DA .38 revolver.
Charles Graff
Moderator Emeritus
To Glock or not to Glock? That is the question.
I do have two and they are indeed reliable effective handguns, but they have no soul! However, a soul is not a requirment for such a gun.
I do have two and they are indeed reliable effective handguns, but they have no soul! However, a soul is not a requirment for such a gun.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
Very good statements follow my last blurb, and agree whole-heartedly with them all.
As far as aesthetics go, the Glock has the appeal of a mud fence. Of course, the 1911A1 isn't a Rose Parade Queen, either. The Beretta 92/96 cops that prize. Over time, folks will accept the functional excellence of the Glock as they have that of the 1911A1 in spite of its somewhat utilitarian 'roots'. "Eye of the beholder", mostly.
As far as aesthetics go, the Glock has the appeal of a mud fence. Of course, the 1911A1 isn't a Rose Parade Queen, either. The Beretta 92/96 cops that prize. Over time, folks will accept the functional excellence of the Glock as they have that of the 1911A1 in spite of its somewhat utilitarian 'roots'. "Eye of the beholder", mostly.
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RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Glock are tools, weapons, pure and simple. They are good tools. But does anyone engrave them? Or put ivory grips on them? Or think they are beautiful in form as well as function? I have carried S&W revolvers my whole life, except for Viet Nam and when the drug wars were raging in town, when I chose the 1911 Commander. Maybe I would have more regard for them if they had been invented then, but maybe not.
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
"Glocks don't malfunction". Hmmm. I don't recall the specifics in the incident but we (NYSP) had some sort of a malfunc during a shoot out. After that we practiced clearing malfuncs almost as much as we shot. I had 2 or 3 malfuncs in the probably 3-4K rounds of Glock stuff I shot with factory range or issue ammo. That's not bad at all IMO, but that's not a lot of shooting really, and that's spread over 3 guns IIRC. NYSP wasn't exactly generous when it came to spending $$$ on range time. OTOH, I never had a single malfunc with range or duty ammo with the 3 or 4 issue Smith 681's I had. I had other issues in both- a Houge Monogrip that the nylon stirrup broke of of and disconected the hammer spring in the 681 and a sight that literally fell off a Glock, along with mag issues with Glocks. My point is no gun is infallible. I'd still feel well armed with a wheel gun if I had to return to duty....or a Glock, or a 1911, or a Colt wheelgun, or a Hi Power or a lot of other guns. The answer is getting a gun you have confidence in and practicing with it. Clearing a jam in a semi is something you should train to do. Reloading drills should be something you do with wheelguns.