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Mitty38

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I looked at a Carcano today pretty clean, beautiful gun. All matching.
Got a chance to get it for 180. The owner said he can't afford the ammo, he has been shooting Norma 156 grain. Says it will not get better then 6 inch groups and stove pipes abourt a third of the time anyway. So it will not do what he wants.
I walked for now. Got enough projects unfinished.

Took the wife's Bersa out for a real test drive after some gun smithing. Ran 100 round thru it no issues. So on to the next project.
 
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L Ross

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L Ross,
By the time I left law enforcement, most of the kids entering didn't know that the narrow, deep pockets below your back pockets on your uniform pants were originally sap pockets before they started being used to hold a Maglite.
My double faced, double bottomed wool motorcycle jodphurs, had the sap pocket on the right leg convenient to the fall of your hand. I had inherited these from an older motor officer along with his puttees when he gave up riding. I'm sure in 1980 they were older than I was.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
i swear they are using some sort of over pressurized machinery to flick flack them poor birds down the line.
i've been to a turkey processing plant and in the homes of people that work at one,, that smell never leaves your memory [or your house] so i can't say i blame them if they do.
Kinda like sausage, those that enjoy it should not be around while the pieces parts are being gathered!
Spent a good amount of time trying to remember all the what was it I was doing stuff before I got interrupted by other stuff that someone told me needed doing right now. Stowed the Thanksgiving decorations that someone had displayed all about the house.

My son-in-law gave me a corded oscillating saw (he went cordless), so I searched all the things it can do that I didn't know I wasn't doing, wasn't doing efficiently enough, or didn't know I needed to do, and the different kinds of blades that are available to do all those things.

With Christmas upcoming, I'm wondering if I really need to replace the old cordless circular saw. How many times a year do I use it? How difficult is it to uncoil an extension cord and use the corded one?
I'm not giving up my corded skill saws. Maybe there is a battery powered saw out there that will power it's way through dozens of green 2x10's but I can't think of why I'd need one. What IS handy in cordless is a reciprocating sawsall. If I had a dollar for every time I was under a crawlspace or up in some rafters and the extension cord I'd knotted together came undone, or the times I spent 45 minutes on my knees in the snow with a hacksaw trying to cut apart some mangled hunka something I'd smashed in the woods... I could probably buy several of us here a nice supper!
I looked at a Carcano today pretty clean, beautiful gun. All matching.
Got a chance to get it for 180. The owner said he can't afford the ammo, he has been shooting Norma 156 grain. Says it will not get better then 6 inch groups and stove pipes abourt a third of the time anyway. So it will not do what he wants.
I walked for now. Got enough projects unfinished.

Took the wife's Bersa out for a real test drive after some gun smithing. Ran 100 round thru it no issues. So on to the next project.
IMO finding a good shooting Carcano is not an easy thing. And even if you do, then what? I suppose the horrid example I was exposed to that wouldn't hold a 6" group at 50 feet back in the 70's, with Norma 156 factory stuff, soured me. Part of the reason I've never bought the Lee Harvey Oswald story.
My double faced, double bottomed wool motorcycle jodphurs, had the sap pocket on the right leg convenient to the fall of your hand. I had inherited these from an older motor officer along with his puttees when he gave up riding. I'm sure in 1980 they were older than I was.
I had several pair of the old wool "winter" Troop pants. All had the sap pocket. I was always going to get a good big sap but it never happened. Those heavy trousers sure were nice at accident scenes at 40 below! Our later issued trousers came sans sap pocket and were pretty thin. The wind would cut right through you. If you dressed for the weather you'd sweat like crazy indoors and invariably you'd have to ride with someone that demanded the fires of hell type heat in the car. If you dressed for that, you'd find yourself on a road block or directing traffic for hours in miserable cold. Couldn't win!

Well, we got about 2-3" of white stuff. Nice cold breeze too. I hate winter, just hate it.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I looked at a Carcano today pretty clean, beautiful gun. All matching.
Got a chance to get it for 180. The owner said he can't afford the ammo, he has been shooting Norma 156 grain. Says it will not get better then 6 inch groups and stove pipes abourt a third of the time anyway. So it will not do what he wants.
I walked for now. Got enough projects unfinished.

Took the wife's Bersa out for a real test drive after some gun smithing. Ran 100 round thru it no issues. So on to the next project.
It's about the spring and follower length I think . The clips play a fault role as well . It was probably a non issue when ammo was loaded into 1 clip once or twice .

The accuracy problem is the same as the 6.5 Japanese both have .268 nominal grooves , and the factory ammo mostly loads .264 bullets . Same deal with the 7.35 it's an odd bullet dia , .300 if I recall correctly and there are only a couple of other cartridges that share that dia also .

Brass is available but can't really be formed from any thing else , RCBS/Huntingtons may still have a set of 6.5-35 Rem dies on the shelf that were intended for the Carcano and Japanese barrel set backs when .268 bullets were readily available for the post war glut of cheap enemy rifles .
 

Tom

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All this talk about saps made me wonder. Some states prohibit them along with brass knuckles, automatic knives, etc. I thought most states kinda uniformed their laws with each other. Are saps legal most places?
 

CWLONGSHOT

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My buddy called last night. He bought himself a Creedmoore last summer and bought a mold to go along with.
Friday he cast up a few hundred zinkers. They ran 93g after tumble & size.

He is sending me about 50 to try in the Grendel.

I dont know the mold he has. But I believe it. Is about 140/150g in COWW.

So Ill have 77g Normas and these zinkers to try when I get them loaded.

CW
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
All this talk about saps made me wonder. Some states prohibit them along with brass knuckles, automatic knives, etc. I thought most states kinda uniformed their laws with each other. Are saps legal most places?
In Arkansas, you could only conceal carry a firearm, with a permit, but not any knife with blade over three inches. :headbang: Choice of type of firearm depends on what you qualify with. Revolver qualification is only good for three years and you can't legally carry a semi. Semi-auto qualification is good for five years and allows your choice of revolver or semi-automatic. That being said, we recently passed, right to carry concealed, without a permit.

My carry permit is good till August 2023. I will renew it, if they still offer that option. Allows you to walk into a LGS and purchase without waiting on a background check. Another advantage is reciprocity among like minded States.

Don't know or care about brass knuckles, saps and the like. Not needed, if you carry, all waking hours.
 

JonB

Halcyon member
all this SAP talk, never heard of it?
I had to google it ...Oh, you mean Black Jack!
now I understand.
 

Joshua

Taco Aficionado/Salish Sea Pirate/Part-Time Dragon
Illegal in California. Can’t conceal one in Oregon, but no prohibition on ownership. Washington has a Dangerous Wepons law that makes them illegal.

In my life I have driven up and down Interstate 5 quite a few times.
 
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Rick H

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Michigan considers a sap, blackjack, slapjack, and brass knuckles all dangerous weapons and prohibited. My favorite are in a kind of gray area, "armored gloves". Mine are old school with powdered lead "armor". The newer ones use sand. They protect the hand while being supple and tactile like shooting/driving gloves. Yeah they pack a punch too.
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L Ross

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All this talk about saps made me wonder. Some states prohibit them along with brass knuckles, automatic knives, etc. I thought most states kinda uniformed their laws with each other. Are saps legal most places?
Specifically authorized under our Wisconsin CCW permits.
 

fiver

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those Carcano's have gain twist rifling.
many of them got their barrels chopped when they were imported to make a lighter handier rifle.
of course none of them shoot under berm size when they are spinning a 3" long bullet through the air at 16 twists a minute.
to make matters worse they had 3 separate rates and many of them got cut off in the second section so even if you knew they had a gain rate you'd look in there and see one and think life was good.
 

richhodg66

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Went to a gun show with my oldest son and my Dad. Not a great show, but always worth going to and I picked up a few little odds and ends.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
My agency didn't authorize saps/beavertails, but our Class "A" uniform pants had the pockets tom carry them for the entire length of my career.
 

smokeywolf

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My agency didn't authorize saps/beavertails, but our Class "A" uniform pants had the pockets tom carry them for the entire length of my career.
Standard for county SO? Forest green wool pants and khaki tan (aka, target tan) wool gabardine shirt? Back in 1975, the pants were $47.00 and the shirt $25 at Harris & Frank.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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Thought about range with Muzzle loaders... But its upper twenties and blowing still. Highs in mid 30's.
Its ALWAYS windy on my range so when more wind if forcast. Conditions are generally poor.

Got till 12/11 for the season.
 

L Ross

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My agency didn't authorize saps/beavertails, but our Class "A" uniform pants had the pockets tom carry them for the entire length of my career.
Oh my agency eventually banned them. It all works out okay now that society has become civilized and people simply comply with their police and allow the judicial system to handle their grievances.
 
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Rick H

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I was issued a flat "slap jack" when I hired on. Never carried the thing. It is somewhere around the place, used to use it as a paper weight in the office in DB.