Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I think your CZ and the EAA are similar frame designs, but I'm not up on that stuff too much. All I know is a HP in 45 would be the cats! Love the 1911 but the HP just fits better in my hand.
standard or magnum cartridges?
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Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
What did Ken say? His development system was great, but I didn't always follow his conclusions.
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Considering Ol' Elmer started out clipping the noses off mil-surp ammo in an attempt to get some expansion, it's no wonder he got the ideas he did!!! A 45 or 50 cal BP rifle shooting a 3-500 gr lead alloy bullet is going to act different than a FMJ with a clipped nose out of a Krag or '03.
The only time I've even used a "premium" bullet was when the kid was going deer hunting with my 250 Savage. I figured a clean kill was far more important than a couple bucks cost, so I loaded Nosler Partitions. They work. It might not have been needed, but this particular kid tends to get a bit wound up and I knew there wasn't going to be any neck shot DRT type stuff. He took a small black bear with it too. Out of a Ruger Ultra Light I figured the fps to be in the 2750-2800 area, can't recall if I put it across the chrono. I think I went with the 100 gr.
L Ross
Well-Known Member
Some times I have to take a breath and really examine things. I am an old stick in the mud in many ways. Much of my interest in things "rifle" were imbedded in my brain by my Uncle "Bub" who was born in 1920. My Dad had a pretty extensive collection of older books and magazine, many pre WWII. When I think of marketing, sensationalism, and the constant drum beat of new new new I find it easy to criticize the industry in all of its various iterations.
In a moment of reflection this morning, I realized that without all of what many of us consider hype and superfluidity, there would be no firearms industry save for the military/industrial complex. A decently made rifle from 1922 is just as good today for its intended purpose as it was when new. They seldom wear out, and unless otherwise damaged or destroyed still provide excellent service. The game has not evolved into super bullet resistant beings. If we all just owned one good rifle, shotgun, and handgun, the market could not possibly sustain a firearms and accessories industry.
So God bless the hype, the Mall Ninjas, the go fast boys. I think I now applaud the high demand for components that incentivize investment. The more shooters and buyers the better. More interested people and businesses to lobby the politicians and act as allies to us old timers. Hell we may even be able to hoard primers again some day.
Oh and any morning that starts with Coates Brother's shooting porn is a good morning. Pow, ting!
In a moment of reflection this morning, I realized that without all of what many of us consider hype and superfluidity, there would be no firearms industry save for the military/industrial complex. A decently made rifle from 1922 is just as good today for its intended purpose as it was when new. They seldom wear out, and unless otherwise damaged or destroyed still provide excellent service. The game has not evolved into super bullet resistant beings. If we all just owned one good rifle, shotgun, and handgun, the market could not possibly sustain a firearms and accessories industry.
So God bless the hype, the Mall Ninjas, the go fast boys. I think I now applaud the high demand for components that incentivize investment. The more shooters and buyers the better. More interested people and businesses to lobby the politicians and act as allies to us old timers. Hell we may even be able to hoard primers again some day.
Oh and any morning that starts with Coates Brother's shooting porn is a good morning. Pow, ting!
richhodg66
Well-Known Member
I was on a pretty good run for about ten years only using cast bullets on deer and usually "small bores" of .30 caliber. I used a .45-70 once, mostly because I wanted to use one of my Dad's cast bullets and he wasn't a hunter, so most of his were too hard and of nose designs that I didn't feel would transfer energy well.
Got lazy a couple of years ago, didn't really have a new cast rifle worked up, looked at my old Model 70 in the rack and remembered it did well with almost a max load of 760 and 165 grain Sierra Game Kings, so got a bok of the Sierras and loaded up a few, which the rifle still did shoot very well. Holy cow, but I had forgotten how load a full up '06 is and how much it kicks! ANyway, sat on the edge of a field and had a doe present a good shot maybe 150 yards so I took it. She was on the edge of a tree line, so she made it into cover. Very destructive double lung shot, but she still went just as far as I was used to seeing with cast (granted, the cast shots were all closer) and I had to look around a while to find her.
Been using that 6.5 Ruger American the past few years here on my own small place, nowhere you could get a shot that long. It works, but I really do believe that what most people hunt deer with is overly powerful for the task, I'll just caveat that I think one needs enough bullet mass to get the job done and I won't be using .22 centerfire. They are deer, not dinosaurs. That jacketed load in the '06 just seems like a ridiculous overkill to me at the time.
Got lazy a couple of years ago, didn't really have a new cast rifle worked up, looked at my old Model 70 in the rack and remembered it did well with almost a max load of 760 and 165 grain Sierra Game Kings, so got a bok of the Sierras and loaded up a few, which the rifle still did shoot very well. Holy cow, but I had forgotten how load a full up '06 is and how much it kicks! ANyway, sat on the edge of a field and had a doe present a good shot maybe 150 yards so I took it. She was on the edge of a tree line, so she made it into cover. Very destructive double lung shot, but she still went just as far as I was used to seeing with cast (granted, the cast shots were all closer) and I had to look around a while to find her.
Been using that 6.5 Ruger American the past few years here on my own small place, nowhere you could get a shot that long. It works, but I really do believe that what most people hunt deer with is overly powerful for the task, I'll just caveat that I think one needs enough bullet mass to get the job done and I won't be using .22 centerfire. They are deer, not dinosaurs. That jacketed load in the '06 just seems like a ridiculous overkill to me at the time.
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Waters thought the better flight characteristics of the .338" bullets of the same weight as .358" was a major factor.
richhodg66
Well-Known Member
And, under lab conditions, he's probably right. In the field, I can't see it being a real advantage, and the .35 Whelen has that wonderful feature of being able to use revolver bullets we all have around for practicing. In theory, I really like the .35 Whelen, just don't see me ever requiring something like that at this point in my life.
Glaciers
Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
I’m a 338 WM fan have been for years. Love the caliber! But. I’m went with a 338-06 improved as well for these exact same reasons. Anything shot with the 338-06 would not complain about the difference. Mine is on a nicely sporterized 1917 Winchester that my BIL put together in Howard Lake, Minnesota in the early 60”. Love the rifle.
I have had early pre Garcia made Sako 338’s, Ruger’s, and the last 338 was a Savage 116, the Savage out shot them all, but they are all down the road now. Replaced by the 338-06 and a Winchester Featherweight in 35 Whelen.
One of the key features for me on either cartridge is the longer 30-06 neck. I like long necks for jacketed and of especially for cast. I have 300 grain NEI molds made by Walt for both the 338 and 35 caliber.
The new improved bullets out on the market really make these two calibers shine. My Whelen is about 1.5 pounds lighter, so guess which one goes into the field. The Enfield is really a dream to shoot, but it’s heavy. For some reason I seem to be taking note of that lately.
Glaciers
Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
What he said.^^^^^
Glaciers
Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
You kinda touch on the one thing that makes it all work. We are all gun junkies. That goes for all the related goodies and falling into the reloading and casting addiction.
You touched on it but, an addict needs to full admit the addiction. I would get the shakes if I only had one rifle, pistol, and shotgun. Do I need more then that? Absolutely. See I am dealing with my problem.
Plus I would not be reading this Fourm I’d be checking sports scores or some other civilized option.
JonB
Halcyon member
VERY TRUE !
So... I bought a S&W 500 Mag Revolver with a 4 inch barrel.
I sold (traded) it a couple years later ...cuz, you know... too much recoil.
>>>My buddy that I traded it too, sold it a couple years after he got it...cuz, you know...too much recoil.
I'm not sure why I am adding that here, but the 500 is a hell of a MAGNUM !
Glaciers
Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Yeah but a 45-70 is not much heavier.
Used to take out research parties in Prince William Sound and drop them off on the beach on remote islands. Certainly the possibility of big Bear interaction. One fellow asked if he could bring his revolver. Ok what do you have and what do you know? Well he had a 500 Smith with the longer barrel. I asked why didn’t you just buy a 45-70.
I don’t know, I like big caliber revolvers, but the 454, 460, and the 500 just seem rediculess. But, different strokes…
Every time I hear "6.5 Creedmore," "Creedmore" or "'Creed," I automatically roll my eyes. Can't help it.
YET, I believe it's one of the best things that has happened in shooting in some time - the hype anyway, because it finally got more people to recognize the 6.5mms. A good friend asked which 6.5 he should get (not which 6.5 I would get) and I told him 6.5 Creedmore. I think that surprised him. Hey, you can get brass, bullets, loaded ammo, easier than for the ones it artificially crowded out and it does the same thing.
I do like many of the "little" cartridges designed to fit into an AR magazine. They also fit into tiny bolt actions, like the CZ 527, which is cool.
I just don't like the collateral damage of other established and reliable older stuff that goes to the bottom of the production schedule because of it though.
todd
Well-Known Member
i own a 500 Linebaugh(.510" bore) but it is in TC Encore with a 23" MGM barrel. its plenty good enuff for any game.
now it has a 2-7x Leopold Freedom
i'm am a rifle junkie!!!!!!!!!!! i've been doing it since i was 9 years old. reading, shooting, reloading, casting.....you name it, i've probably done it!!!
i tried premium bullets back in 'early '90s. it was a 85gr Barnes X-bullet with a 243 win (rem adl, bdl, cdl, m7...yes i really did own them). the Barnes X-bullet left me unimpressed. it wold either mushroom making an X or go straight thru. the straight thru almost cost me a doe, she ran (thru thick cover) about 300-325 yards till she fell over. there was snow on the ground and a lack of blood that made trailng her very hard. i was on my knees thru the thick cover( 8 - 10' mountain laurel gone wild).
i sold the rifles and gave up on the 243. my best friend has a rem m788 in 243 and 100gr factory loads (rem, win, federal...whatever is cheaper) and he kills deer that mostly stay DRT, 20-30 yards is the most the deer runs.
i have a jap type 99 made in the '06. i have been thinking about making it a 400 Petrov-Whelen, but i've been thinking that a 338-06 would be good for me.
well, i'll start. i don't have use right side and my speech is iffy. i think i'm starting to get arthritis in my left hand and left big toe. i also have to have a Metamucil-type substance to make me regular. and i have glasses to boot!!!!!!! lol!!!!!!!!!!
RBHarter
West Central AR
The 27 cal just never made sense to me . The 25 cal whether in a 300 Savage, Mauser , or 06' case was just a rocket on rails way before the 308 family was a thing.
7mm has more than been proven .
It always seemed like the 6.5s were handicapped by not being in "common" cases x50,×52 , Mann etc . The Swede more or less fits in the Mauser case but in truth it's an odd ball too with the fat head . Of course Winchester built that belted barrel burner .
The 6.8SPC came along and that little F&S postage stamp blip reeled me in hook line and sinker . Well I still don't see the awe inspiring wonder of the 270 Win when it's cousin the 280 does everything it will in the same twist with another 25 gr of available bullet ........ Oh right Jack O Conner I remember now .......
All that and I have had something at some point from 22-35/38 cal except 338 and 243/6mm . I once wanted a 338 FC but when I looked at actual numbers terminally it didn't offer anything I didn't have with an 06' except a short action .
Fell of a ladder last summer broke 5 ribs and a process , shock collapsed a lung , probably have 3-5 yr left on my left knee . It burns in the heat and hangs in the cold , aching before a snow storm .
Found a new ganglion cyst my thumb from the wrist to the palm knuckle is bruised over across the web . I've had one in that wrist for 20 years it didn't get any worse after it popped up and didn't cause any mobility issues so I left it be . This one may be that one and it's going to need to be fixed I guess .
Fake sugar .......any suggestions? Nutrasweet acts like alcohol on me , aspirtame is an immediate headache. Where branded openly anyway I guess I can't taste Splenda .......
7mm has more than been proven .
It always seemed like the 6.5s were handicapped by not being in "common" cases x50,×52 , Mann etc . The Swede more or less fits in the Mauser case but in truth it's an odd ball too with the fat head . Of course Winchester built that belted barrel burner .
The 6.8SPC came along and that little F&S postage stamp blip reeled me in hook line and sinker . Well I still don't see the awe inspiring wonder of the 270 Win when it's cousin the 280 does everything it will in the same twist with another 25 gr of available bullet ........ Oh right Jack O Conner I remember now .......
All that and I have had something at some point from 22-35/38 cal except 338 and 243/6mm . I once wanted a 338 FC but when I looked at actual numbers terminally it didn't offer anything I didn't have with an 06' except a short action .
Fell of a ladder last summer broke 5 ribs and a process , shock collapsed a lung , probably have 3-5 yr left on my left knee . It burns in the heat and hangs in the cold , aching before a snow storm .
Found a new ganglion cyst my thumb from the wrist to the palm knuckle is bruised over across the web . I've had one in that wrist for 20 years it didn't get any worse after it popped up and didn't cause any mobility issues so I left it be . This one may be that one and it's going to need to be fixed I guess .
Fake sugar .......any suggestions? Nutrasweet acts like alcohol on me , aspirtame is an immediate headache. Where branded openly anyway I guess I can't taste Splenda .......
JonB
Halcyon member
Stevia is surprisingly adequate. I've had some zero calorie soft drinks sweetened with it that was better than the chemical alternatives.
It's just a plant, I tried growing it one year, but wasn't impressed with the taste of the leaves.
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