30 Super Carry

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Branding Jeff, Branding.

They want their name on a cartridge. They want to become the hot new thing. Anyone can make 223 ammo but how many will make ammo for this new cartridge?
Oh, I get that - trust me. "Marketing geniuses" abound.

And, yeah, about as many people will make brass for the 30-whatever as making brass for the 9mm Federal?

Or, maybe it takes off like the 327 eventually did, and several companies start making brass for it, but a "bird in the hand" - like 9mm.

Here's some intel on how this went down;):


Nothing against the new cartridge either. I actually think it's kind of cool, but there's nothing new I'd be interested in right now as I focus on supporting what I have now - trying to keep up on my current needs.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
There is nothing new under the sun.

I already have this caliber's great-grandpa, the M-1935 MAS pistol. The 7.65 MAS is less powerful--an 85 grain bullet @ 1100 FPS. I wonder if the brass will fit with minimal mods into my pistol?

I am sure it will be louder than Hell's Drumline, but recoil is greatly mollified by the light bullet weight/high velocity combination--even the full-blast 30 Carbine Blackhawk's recoil isn't bad, same story with the 30 Mauser/7.62 x 25.

I don't have the fervor to go out and buy one of these pistols like I did for the 32 H&R Magnum. My interests in 1988 for the 32 H&R are same today for the 30 Super Carry--as a sport and field arm for small-to-medium varmints. That Nighthawk-series pistol has some appeal, if the cartridge has the accuracy potential of the 32 H&R. It's intriguing.
 

david s

Well-Known Member
Seeing as this new cartridge is being marketed to newer shooters here's an observation. New shooters seem to handle recoil better than they handle a sharp muzzle blast and poor ear muffs in my opinion. A 9mm and a good set of ear protection or better yet a 32 Long is easily managed by most new shooters as long as there not rushed. Most newer shooters are more than a little put off (begin flinching in anticipation) by the loud muzzle blast. You don't begin a new shooter with full bore 357's or a 327 Fed/30 Carbine. Looking at the velocity claimed and the case size seems to indicate some pretty good pressures and blast. If the 30 Super Carry proves to an accurate round in an accurate pistol I'll probably play with one. But I'm one of those whose born every minute ever since H&R and Federal introduced the 32 Magnum.
 

Snakeoil

Well-Known Member
I understand the branding thing. And keep in mind that they are all at full tilt on the production lines. So, they are probably flush with cash and when you are in that situation, that's when you can afford to take chances to better position you when the storm subsides.

My cousin's son just bought a .17 HRM rifle. He bought it because it was dirt cheap. Downside was the dealer did not have any ammo. :headbang:
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
20X7.65 longue?
it was 308 diameter, but i bet these cases would be close-nuff with the right die set.


i don't know about a hand gun that runs at 50K-PSI.
but if they can do that to a pistol they could surely run the 9mm up there too, or even the 380 or even better,,,, hows about the 44 mag?
now your getting somewhere.
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
I think new cartridges are cool. My gun safe is full of them. Since 2001, new to me, 300 WSM, 17M2, 10mm, 40S&W, 17 Fireball, 223, 8mm, 6.5 Creedmoor, 450 Bushmaster, 350 Legend, 45-70, 338 Win mag, 44 Mag Rifle, 204 Ruger. Anybody else still shooting just their 30-06, 38 special and 45 acp? (Well, I don’t own a 30-06 and never have, guess I should buy one…)

Yeah I’m still shooting the 30-06, which someone once said, the 30-06 is never a bad idea. Actually I’m shooting a couple 30-06, 38 spl, 45ACP’s and other old dogs as well.
With the verity of 9mm ammo available now from SD mild to hotter stuff available and the shelves being bare of most other pistol ammunition, don’t see the need.
Couple extra rounds in the mag, doesn’t do much for me. For SD if you need those extra rounds you have a serious problem. A problem that might have been cured by more bullet diameter.
The WSM short and fat doesn’t do anything for me besides losing one round in the chamber. I’m already short and fat myself, so don’t need more.
Don’t get me wrong, I like to play with unique guns and cartridges as much as the next guy, but, but, I’m finding the current shortages vexing enough without branching out into something that is reinventing the wheel.

And yes you should buy a 30-06.
 
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CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
20X7.65 longue?
it was 308 diameter, but i bet these cases would be close-nuff with the right die set.


i don't know about a hand gun that runs at 50K-PSI.
but if they can do that to a pistol they could surely run the 9mm up there too, or even the 380 or even better,,,, hows about the 44 mag?
now your getting somewhere.
But for the back thrust, 50k on a 30/32 case head is different then the same in a 357-40-44-45. Thats alot to ask of a blow back action.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I've got nothing against the idea of improved cartridges. I just wish they'd improve some of the ones we already use! The 380ACP and 32 Auto both could use some work. There's nothing wrong with a 380 IMO that a little more fps wouldn't cure. It won't ever be a 357 mag, but it can be improved. Al/9.3 has pointed out numerous times that European loadings are far better than US stuff, same goes for 7x57, 8x57, 7.65x53. Using Norma ammo used to bring some older/European rounds to life. Of course we handload, but it seems kind silly to re-invent the wheel, again, when we have suitable "wheels" in abundance already. But that wouldn't keep people buying new guns I suppose!
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
20X7.65 longue?
it was 308 diameter, but i bet these cases would be close-nuff with the right die set.


i don't know about a hand gun that runs at 50K-PSI.
but if they can do that to a pistol they could surely run the 9mm up there too, or even the 380 or even better,,,, hows about the 44 mag?
now your getting somewhere.
My 7.65 French's throat is about .3105", and it came with 70 original cartridges. I pulled down 3 of these when I got the pistol, and the bullets mic'ed @ .309"+. I chronographed a dozen of the mil-spec rounds, and they ran their 85 grain bullets at 1050-1075 FPS. Basically, a 32 Super Auto.

I run Lyman #313249 (84 grains) and the Lee 100 grain RN sized at .311" in this critter. It is NOT a blowback action--it is a Browning-esque toggle-link locked breech system, and its exterior appearance looks like a SIG P-210 that shrunk in the wash.

Federal, Remington, and Winchester have ad copy posted online claiming to have ammunition in queue to run these pistols. Given the utter lack of firearms, reloading components, and factory ammunition for almost two years, it is a curious time to roll out new pistols and cartridges. As others have alluded to above, perhaps a better idea might be to 1) load pre-existing calibers to their full potential and 2) actually put some of those products into the commercial sector for citizen end-users. Heresy--yes, I'll own it--but C'MON, MANG.

Fairly late in my career I handled a homicide in the Jurupa Valley area in which a large, nasty character was killed with some sort of 32 H&R Magnum revolver. Three of those rounds combined to lay low a 300#+ drug dealer who was remiss with his cash flow integrity. His killer was a somewhat smaller and nastier character who was known to carry "A 32", per an associate that was obliged to share that factoid. This same assailant had warrants outstanding for aggravated assaults (one each in L.A. and Orange Counties), and the issuing agencies had fired slugs from those victims for comparison. All were Hornady 32 caliber 85 grain XTPs (just like the ones I had hundreds of on my reloading bench); none of them expanded noticeably, and all could likely have been reloaded again and fired safely. The firearm was never located, but the projectile characteristics matched up, per Cal-DOJ/BFS. Don't pass "GO", don't collect $200. I never went to court on that case, though the bad guy was arrested within a week of the murder.

One of the slugs on my murder scene had fully penetrated this BIG DUDE through-and-through, and was caught coming out by his button-down shirt (This happens with some frequency). Is the 32 H&R Mag or the 30 Super Carry a viable self-defense round? It can be effective, as my and many other similar incidents have borne out over the years. Our belief was that the victim was fairly close to his assailant, though not close enough to have powder burns or stippling present--7 yards plus. 2 of the three rounds hit the Main Pump, which is what killed him. If you are carrying light tackle for exchanges of finality, cold precision is required for shot placement, either that Main Pump or the Brain Housing Group offering the best bang for your buck. There Are No Guarantees, even with a 40-45 caliber persuader--but no gunshot wound ever did any recipient any good at all, either. The 32s aren't something I would carry in harm's way, but any handgun is a compromise between projected power and portability, and the latter element is favored greatly in the CCW realm. "Killing" and "Stopping" overlap to some extent, but they differ between incidents greatly. A mid-caliber handgun beats the hell out of throwing rocks (usually). David made good use of a rock on Goliath, but again shot placement was key.
 
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BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
Yeah I’m still shooting the 30-06, which someone once said, the 30-06 is never a bad idea. Actually I’m shooting a couple 30-06, 38 spl, 45ACP’s and other old dogs as well.
With the verity of 9mm ammo available now from SD mild to hotter stuff available and the shelves being bare of most other pistol ammunition, don’t see the need.
Couple extra rounds in the mag, doesn’t do much for me. For SD if you need those extra rounds you have a serious problem. A problem that might have been cured by more bullet diameter.
The WSM short and fat doesn’t do anything for me besides losing one round in the chamber. I’m already short and fat myself, so don’t need more.
Don’t get me wrong, I like to play with unique guns and cartridges as much as the next guy, but, but, I’m finding the current shortages vexing enough without branching out into something that is reinventing the wheel.

And yes you should buy a 30-06.
Lol, short and fat! Do you call yourself “inherently accurate” like the WSM’s!? :)

I would love to have a Garand not only to shoot, and I would shoot it, but the history too. Someday, someday…
 

BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
I didn’t watch all of the video. Just too much opinion without anything to back it up. Well that and he kind of lost me with the 357 sig… I won’t own a pistol that doesn’t have carbide dies for it. :)
 

BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
I've got nothing against the idea of improved cartridges. I just wish they'd improve some of the ones we already use! The 380ACP and 32 Auto both could use some work. There's nothing wrong with a 380 IMO that a little more fps wouldn't cure. It won't ever be a 357 mag, but it can be improved. Al/9.3 has pointed out numerous times that European loadings are far better than US stuff, same goes for 7x57, 8x57, 7.65x53. Using Norma ammo used to bring some older/European rounds to life. Of course we handload, but it seems kind silly to re-invent the wheel, again, when we have suitable "wheels" in abundance already. But that wouldn't keep people buying new guns I suppose!

I like the 5.7x28 and thought hard about getting one (even though there are no carbide dies for it) but reading up on the reloading process changed my mind on it. Now, if you could get it in a bolt action or even single shot, that would be different. I hope nobody says they make them, I’m not going to look…
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I didn’t watch all of the video. Just too much opinion without anything to back it up. Well that and he kind of lost me with the 357 sig… I won’t own a pistol that doesn’t have carbide dies for it. :)
Yes agreed. I didnt follow his tact there.