9.3x57
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Mowgli Terry
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Well, the 146 is shootable. The recoil pad has been installed. The Bubba-ed front sight has been restored. It turns out there were no cracks in the stock that compromise the strength. Every ding etc. in the stock is fixable. The 8mm is on the back burner. I have the scopes for the the 8mm and the other 46 in 9.3x57. The stock on the 146 looks as it is walnut.
I've still got some minor Bubba work to repair. The safety on the 146 has been crudely filed to clear the scope. The 8mm had the bolt handle crudely modified to clear the scope. Plans are to get all that stuff fixed.
I'm thinking of starting with the 8mm for cast bullets. The bore in each one of these rifles shows no p;its or damage that would be a problem. I suspect that these rifles were carried and not shot that much.
Added: I have been calling the 9.3x57 and model 146. I it is most likely a 640. The 146 is a prewar gun. My rifle has an action that was proofed in 1948 making it a 640. This action is not a scrubbed military 98. The Belgian proofs are on the left side of the action under the wood.
I've still got some minor Bubba work to repair. The safety on the 146 has been crudely filed to clear the scope. The 8mm had the bolt handle crudely modified to clear the scope. Plans are to get all that stuff fixed.
I'm thinking of starting with the 8mm for cast bullets. The bore in each one of these rifles shows no p;its or damage that would be a problem. I suspect that these rifles were carried and not shot that much.
Added: I have been calling the 9.3x57 and model 146. I it is most likely a 640. The 146 is a prewar gun. My rifle has an action that was proofed in 1948 making it a 640. This action is not a scrubbed military 98. The Belgian proofs are on the left side of the action under the wood.
L Ross
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Made the 800+ mile round trip to see some of our dearest friends in Northern Minnesota. The 8x57 sporting rifle was up there waiting to be picked up. En route we stopped in Superior for 3 lbs of whole wild rice for some other friends. I also stopped off near Twig to drop off a Nils ice auger head to have the blades sharpened.
I took along 50 rounds of cast bullet reloads featuring twenty five 323471's and twenty five 321297's fueled with 16.5 gr. of 4227. Saturday morning we put up a piece of cardboard in a sand pit behind the house and three of us took turns shooting off hand at about 35 yards. Once we got the barrel cleaned out with 3 rounds, (I wasn't told it had been Ballistolled), the three of us had no trouble holding all of the shots into the approximately 4" black bull. The set triggers are superb, the bore is splendid. Oddly, the two bullets hit in the same group even though the 371's weigh 220 grains and the 297's weigh 190. The lowest blade of the three leaf rear was used and the bead placed to cover the bull. The bore looked as clean after firing as it did when I checked it before firing.
The wrist is the most slender I have ever seen on a rifle. I need to put it on a scale but if it is over 6 lbs. I'll be shocked. The light weight was no asset to off hand shooting but this rifle will be extremely pleasant to carry. I will next work up a hunting load and I will take a deer with it this Fall.
I took along 50 rounds of cast bullet reloads featuring twenty five 323471's and twenty five 321297's fueled with 16.5 gr. of 4227. Saturday morning we put up a piece of cardboard in a sand pit behind the house and three of us took turns shooting off hand at about 35 yards. Once we got the barrel cleaned out with 3 rounds, (I wasn't told it had been Ballistolled), the three of us had no trouble holding all of the shots into the approximately 4" black bull. The set triggers are superb, the bore is splendid. Oddly, the two bullets hit in the same group even though the 371's weigh 220 grains and the 297's weigh 190. The lowest blade of the three leaf rear was used and the bead placed to cover the bull. The bore looked as clean after firing as it did when I checked it before firing.
The wrist is the most slender I have ever seen on a rifle. I need to put it on a scale but if it is over 6 lbs. I'll be shocked. The light weight was no asset to off hand shooting but this rifle will be extremely pleasant to carry. I will next work up a hunting load and I will take a deer with it this Fall.
todd
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good shootin!!!!!!
my husky m46 is extremely pleasant to carry and its recoil is not that bad(275gr wfn gc with 39.0gr of imr4895). i noticed the more powder it has, the recoil becomes unpleasant. i think(don't quote me on this), but at 43.0-44.0gr? of 4895 its a bear to shoot.
my husky m46 is extremely pleasant to carry and its recoil is not that bad(275gr wfn gc with 39.0gr of imr4895). i noticed the more powder it has, the recoil becomes unpleasant. i think(don't quote me on this), but at 43.0-44.0gr? of 4895 its a bear to shoot.
Jäger
Active Member
This thread on Huskys has me wriggling in my seat as I'm days away from having my latest (and probably last) Husky put in my hands by my friend/gunsmith/dual sport riding buddy. 35 Whelen in a Mannlicher style stock on a Model 5000 action. Warned me he's just "fiddled around" with stock making over his 40 years, and the only full length wood he could find at anything resembling a reasonable price was rather plain looking.
Under 7.5 lbs as it is right now, bedded and test fired for grouping (it is a Mannlicher full length stock after all). Another ounce or so will come off when he gets rid of all the excess wood left on the stock and comb to get it fitted to me prior to checkering and finish. Hunting season is open and I'm desperate to get out chasing critters; I told him to just give it to me once the fitting and bluing is finished. I'll slap on one light coat of oil, get a satisfactory load developed, and he can do the checkering and finish after hunting season.
It will have to be Barnes 200 gr. TTSX for now to head out after elk and moose. Fun with cast bullets will have to wait until hunting season is over.
I should wait until it's finished and grab a real camera instead of using my steam powered old cellphone in his traditionally dark shop, but it's not often that I get this excited as a rather jaded senior citizen.
The pic with the second rifle is the previous Husky he built and chambered as a 30 Newton. It is about all I've carried as my big game rifle ever since he built it for me. My Sakos and other Huskies kind of languish in the gun safes... I kind of have to avert my eyes in shame as I feel their accusatory feelings of betrayal as they're relegated to range queens.
Under 7.5 lbs as it is right now, bedded and test fired for grouping (it is a Mannlicher full length stock after all). Another ounce or so will come off when he gets rid of all the excess wood left on the stock and comb to get it fitted to me prior to checkering and finish. Hunting season is open and I'm desperate to get out chasing critters; I told him to just give it to me once the fitting and bluing is finished. I'll slap on one light coat of oil, get a satisfactory load developed, and he can do the checkering and finish after hunting season.
It will have to be Barnes 200 gr. TTSX for now to head out after elk and moose. Fun with cast bullets will have to wait until hunting season is over.
I should wait until it's finished and grab a real camera instead of using my steam powered old cellphone in his traditionally dark shop, but it's not often that I get this excited as a rather jaded senior citizen.
The pic with the second rifle is the previous Husky he built and chambered as a 30 Newton. It is about all I've carried as my big game rifle ever since he built it for me. My Sakos and other Huskies kind of languish in the gun safes... I kind of have to avert my eyes in shame as I feel their accusatory feelings of betrayal as they're relegated to range queens.
L Ross
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My young neighbor shootin' buddy is fully engulfed in work and dating, and house hunting and running and playing gym rat and still found time to text me and ask if I had time for a visit. I set up a time when Sue and I would be back home from returning the ATV with the seeder and told him about the 9.3x57 and 8x57 and mentioned that I'd like to shoot them. He was all for that and showed up about 5 pm.
My range faces north and the sun settling into the SW sky gives me grief glaring off the brass bead particularly on the 9.3. I kept getting hits off center by about 3 inches at 3 o'clock and I drifted the rear sight the width of the witness mark on the ribbed barrel. Ah, much closer to center, then a cloud passed over the sun and I could see the bead much better. Only now the group was forming almost 3" left. Grrrrrrr!
The 9.3shoots more than adequately for hunting but I have my suspicions about the boughten bullets the previous owner used in the reloads I got with the gun. I need a mould so I can customize the fit for this rifle. The boughten bullets are .366" and I don't trust them. Even worse my friend reloaded these with 16 grains of Trail Boss and about every fourth round sounds dull. The kid and I both noticed it. I suppose I should slug the barrel and make a pound cast and see what's out there for a lighter mould as unless I want to line up about 6 deer in a row I can't see a need for the 285 grain bullet. I need to decide if I'm going to keep the 9.3 before I stick more money into it as I am falling in love with the new 8x57.
Now that ever so sleek 8x57 is a gem, an absolute joy to handle and the stock is perfect in drop for the iron sights. I was shooting 323471's, sized to .324" over 16.5 grains of 4227 and we murdered the 5" diamonds at 80 yards. I could not hit one off hand as I was already twitchy from the 9.3. The 8x57 is so muzzle light that I had to stand and lean against a post then I never missed one. Of course my young friend wiped my eye by drilling 3 straight in pure off hand form. The trigger when set to its heaviest set weight is about 1 1/2 lbs. and I can manage that for hunting from a stand. I'm going to cast up some 321297's out of 20/1 and bump the speed up to about 1,900 and call that a deer load.
My range faces north and the sun settling into the SW sky gives me grief glaring off the brass bead particularly on the 9.3. I kept getting hits off center by about 3 inches at 3 o'clock and I drifted the rear sight the width of the witness mark on the ribbed barrel. Ah, much closer to center, then a cloud passed over the sun and I could see the bead much better. Only now the group was forming almost 3" left. Grrrrrrr!
The 9.3shoots more than adequately for hunting but I have my suspicions about the boughten bullets the previous owner used in the reloads I got with the gun. I need a mould so I can customize the fit for this rifle. The boughten bullets are .366" and I don't trust them. Even worse my friend reloaded these with 16 grains of Trail Boss and about every fourth round sounds dull. The kid and I both noticed it. I suppose I should slug the barrel and make a pound cast and see what's out there for a lighter mould as unless I want to line up about 6 deer in a row I can't see a need for the 285 grain bullet. I need to decide if I'm going to keep the 9.3 before I stick more money into it as I am falling in love with the new 8x57.
Now that ever so sleek 8x57 is a gem, an absolute joy to handle and the stock is perfect in drop for the iron sights. I was shooting 323471's, sized to .324" over 16.5 grains of 4227 and we murdered the 5" diamonds at 80 yards. I could not hit one off hand as I was already twitchy from the 9.3. The 8x57 is so muzzle light that I had to stand and lean against a post then I never missed one. Of course my young friend wiped my eye by drilling 3 straight in pure off hand form. The trigger when set to its heaviest set weight is about 1 1/2 lbs. and I can manage that for hunting from a stand. I'm going to cast up some 321297's out of 20/1 and bump the speed up to about 1,900 and call that a deer load.
Joshua
Taco Aficionado/Salish Sea Pirate/Part-Time Dragon
Karabiner = Carbine
The cavalry had a spring hook for holding their rifles, the rifles had a saddle ring. That spring hook morphed into what we know as a carabiner today.
In German karabiner refers to both a locking climbing shackle and the short rifle.
The “K” in K98 Mauser stands for Karabiner.
The bullet was designed for the cavernous throats associated with the 8mm K98.
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todd
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this one
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CZ93X62
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Most European rifle ammunition in 9.3 x 57 and 9.3 x 62 calibers comes in two bullet weights--232 grains and 286 grains. As best I can tell, the lighter bullets were meant for deer-sized game and the 286 grain bullets for the larger species like stag or bears.
My musings and experiment with the 9.3 x 62 have shown that for North American usage a mid-point bullet weight with the j-words is ideal--250 grains. In my rifle 2650 FPS is safely attainable, and the spitzer-form Nosler Ballistic Tips follow the trajectory curve of the tried and true 30-06 with 180 grain spitzers for 400 yards+. The difference is--at any given range, it hits with half-again more energy than does the 180 grain 30-06, which is no slouch in that department in its own right.
My musings and experiment with the 9.3 x 62 have shown that for North American usage a mid-point bullet weight with the j-words is ideal--250 grains. In my rifle 2650 FPS is safely attainable, and the spitzer-form Nosler Ballistic Tips follow the trajectory curve of the tried and true 30-06 with 180 grain spitzers for 400 yards+. The difference is--at any given range, it hits with half-again more energy than does the 180 grain 30-06, which is no slouch in that department in its own right.
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L Ross
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Too much recoil for me to do any reasonable accuracy. I used to hate 12 ga. slugs.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
The 286s from the bench are no fun whatsoever. The 250s aren't quite so bad, and offhand they feel a lot like a 12 gauge slug load recoil-wise. 15-20 of those at day's end are all right, emphasis on DAY'S END. I run the 223s and 243 first, handguns next, and big stuff later. Mom and Dad did not raise foolish children, that's how we ran quals at work--shotguns went last.
Mowgli Terry
Active Member
I have the notion about the round that maybe missing the point. The 9.3x57 is not a high pressure round. It is a medium bore hunting rifle for thin skinned game. For me, the basic idea is to load rounds to original specs. A 286 grain bullet at 2000 fps is plenty for most purposes.
The 286s from the 9.3x62seem to do well on everything, enough so that I've contemplated picking up another and cutting it down to carbine length. But if I did that, I'm not sure I'd have a read use for any other big game rifle and I just got that nifty '06 Mannlicher. . . .
L Ross
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Oh happy day. Yesterday I dropped off a Lyman 457125 with a friend 220 miles away. This morning he calls me up and said while looking through a large batch of moulds he got from an estate sale at 10 BUCKS EACH, he found a Lyman 366408 for me. I do wish he'd have found it a day earlier, but what the heck. He says it is a single cavity and looks like new.