How bad are we being.........

[Petrol & Powder]

Get ready; CV19 round two with lockdowns on the way and real soon.

I’ll assume your speculation is being offered as a facetious way of generating anxiety.

 

[RicinYakima]

Don't think that many folks are willing to do that dance again. That was a once a generation episode.

 

[Gary]

I'd bet that almost 50% of the Lemming population WILL and probably already have a stash of masks to wear.

 

[Gary]

It's not my speculation, it's based on POTUS's remarks recently.

 

[willwagspal]

I agree with Al, we may be reaching a tipping point.
Merchants cannot eat primers and powder, they have to sell those items.
The price they sell them for is set by the buyers, not the sellers.

I noticed that Natchez just had a sale on CCI primers for $70/1000. Certainly not much of a bargain but down about $25 from what they were selling for just a couple of months ago. It also appears that with a few exceptions like Large Rifle most primer brands and sizes (even Federals) are available whereas 6 months ago you were hard pressed to find anything in stock. That tells me that supply is catching up with demand and the next step is a decrease in prices to encourage people to buy increasing inventory. Alternatives like Aguila and Ginex have been typically underselling the domestic brands and that also pressures them to drop prices to be competitive.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

I'd bet that almost 50% of the Lemming population WILL and probably already have a stash of masks to wear.

They can do as they please. I really don't care.
I will do as I please.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

It's not my speculation, it's based on POTUS's remarks recently.

I don't care who said it. It is still speculative.

 

[Gary]

They can do as they please. I really don't care.
I will do as I please.

I'm not arguing with you, I agree with you. But again, it's not speculation.

 

[JonB]

ooo, I'd love to get a 4lber of that 4100.

 

[JonB]

Where are you guys even seeing Alliant powders? They have been absolutely absent everywhere I've looked for a while.

Alliant has been showing up on the shelves around here but at frightfully expensive ($50+/lb) prices.

What those prices show is the seller couldn't move the product at the higher price.

Supply may well be gaining and on hands are going up. This means lower prices for consumers.

My comment is a summed up reply to these comments above.
My LGS, which changed ownership in 2022, has recently brought in a huge supply of Alliant powders (filled the shelves and a pallet of overstock in back room) and priced them at crazy prices. I hope the new owners didn't have to pay elevated wholesale prices, for their own sake. I know Wiresguy and I, will be waiting for the sale.

 

[fiver]

yep 4100 is the 2400,, only by Accurate... and only a smidge faster,, like 3-4 tenths less in your 44 mag type loads for the same pressure-velocity.
i been using it a lot for the last 20 years.

Long shot is known as LOUDshot by the shotgun guys, but it works just fine at the 3/4 and up throttle levels in the 357-41-45colt type cases.

 

[Tomme boy]

I really like LS in 12ga slug and buckshot loads. but as it is said it is a loud flashy powder. Both places I was at yesterday had almost every type of primers you wanted. The Bosnian, Fioochi, Argentina's, CCI, REM, WIN, Federal. But at high prices but lower than they were 9 months ago.

Most were in the $84-$89 range. Except for the Fioochi 1500 packs were $219. What is really surprising is this Fin & Feather store used to be the highest on everything. Back when the bat flu hit they held their prices and were the cheapest around. And they are now still the cheapest around. Not by much but if I can save $5/lb on powders or $10 on primers guess where I am going. If any of you have a Sportsmans Warehouse near you they are the cheapest there is on primers anywhere in the USA.

 

[waco]

Payed a bit but the brother and I just picked up 10k CCI SPP. really no worries now for anything for the foreseeable future.

 

[Winelover]

yep 4100 is the 2400,, only by Accurate... and only a smidge faster,, like 3-4 tenths less in your 44 mag type loads for the same pressure-velocity.
i been using it a lot for the last 20 years.

I would think, a smidge slower................since its three slots further down, the relative burn chart (faster to slower) than 2400, just below their own AA#9 powder.

 

[Bret4207]

Don't think that many folks are willing to do that dance again. That was a once a generation episode.

You exponentially over estimate the intelligence of the American Public.

 

[Bret4207]

yep 4100 is the 2400,, only by Accurate... and only a smidge faster,, like 3-4 tenths less in your 44 mag type loads for the same pressure-velocity.
i been using it a lot for the last 20 years.

Long shot is known as LOUDshot by the shotgun guys, but it works just fine at the 3/4 and up throttle levels in the 357-41-45colt type cases.

I really wish someone would publish a chart showing which powders are real similar to others. And I mean going back to the 20s and 30's. Even to day, hearing that 4100 is like 2400 is news to me.

 

[RBHarter]

Half ..... actually statistically 48% of the people planet wide are below average.
Watching the news inspires me to believe we have a bell curve effect where only about 35% are above average , 15% hover at average , while the really loud 15% are in-between the 10 % of the smart below average and the 20% that can feed themselves and don't pee on themselves very often ........

Actually the problem with the current don't trust anyone over 30 crowd is the lack of critical thinking . They're like a toddler that masters the light switch and has discovered that they can effect a change in their environment. They never stop to think about whether or not the change is wanted needed or even desirable.

We've already done corp greed , oil embargo , race riots , terror attacks , and deadly cootie bugs . I suspect we're back to something major food chain related like the Russo grain embargo but power grid instability is a potential player here too .

 

[Petrol & Powder]

I would agree that if one was able to measure individual intelligence of the adults on earth and plot the results on a graph, the curve of the graph would take on the classic bell curve shape. However, the middle of the bell curve, where most people land, isn’t very impressive. So, saying someone is a little above average intelligence isn’t saying much. Average intelligence is NOT impressive.

Like all distributions that plot out to a bell curve, the middle is simply where most samples fall, it doesn’t mean the middle is great. It just means the middle is crowded. P.T. Barnum knew it, advertisers know it, politicians know it, attorneys attempting to sway a jury know it, Jim Jones of Jonestown, Guyana knew it, Casino owners know it, every con man on earth knows it.

It’s not hard to deceive the average person because the average person isn’t all that bright.

The ends of the bell curve of intelligence represent the profoundly limited people on one end and the incredibly smart people on the other end. There are not many people in those extremes, but I would submit the middle of the curve is pretty damn sad in terms of what “Average” actually is.

 

[JonB]

I really wish someone would publish a chart showing which powders are real similar to others. And I mean going back to the 20s and 30's. Even to day, hearing that 4100 is like 2400 is news to me.

It's in the similar burn rate area, but I wouldn't use the term "like"

 

[JonB]

View attachment 35695I would think, a smidge slower................since its three slots further down, the relative burn chart (faster to slower) than 2400, just below their own AA#9 powder.

In general, burn rate charts are merely "relative" to other burn rate charts.
This one puts 4100 two slots faster than 2400

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