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Winelover

North Central Arkansas
Never had a debit card, nor do I want one. I use CC's exclusively...........I get more return, than I can from interest in a bank. Never paid a dime in interest. Never had any issues with unauthorized charges. I did have CC companies call me about suspicious purchases. One purchase in Canada and the other one in Spain. They figured correctly, that I didn't make those purchases, based on my buying history.

Cash for purchases under $10, which is a rarity. Carry two CC's.. AMEX and Visa. AMEX is my first choice, cause they pay me more to use it than Visa. Visa for places that won't take AMEX. Some places; like restaurants and auto repair shops, are starting to charge the customer for using CC's...........then they get a personal check.
 

dale2242

Well-Known Member
I use a CC for gas purchases and some large grocery buys.
We always pay the bill each month. No interest.
I use cash for most smaller purchases.
I withdraw a couple of hundred buck cash from our savings account when I need cash.
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
One place we indirectly use a CC for is gas purchases. Too many CC readers are being placed on gas pumps, to steal your information. Walmart, here, has Murphy USA stations in their parking lots. If you purchase a gift card from Wally's, you can get three cents discount per gallon of gas, usually...............they recently suspended that for the Summer. Thus, protecting you CC information at the pump. Around here Murphy USA is consistently the cheapest priced gas in the area and supposedly originates from the USA, not a foreign entity.
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
Supposedly almost all gas stations in this area are supplied by Magnus, shell, all of them. The exception is Casey's.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
One place we indirectly use a CC for is gas purchases. Too many CC readers are being placed on gas pumps, to steal your information. .........
On this topic, surreptitious skimmers or card readers can be a problem. A little knowledge goes a long way in protecting yourself from this scam.

1.

The type of card reader installed on the pump is important. The old type that simply requires that the card be swiped (or inserted and immediately withdrawn) is the least secure. That type of reader is only capturing the information on the magnetic strip and it’s easy for a criminal to simply piggy-back another reader in there to capture the information off the magnetic strip.

The card readers that require the card to stay in place while the card is authenticated, are much more secure. (Chip reader). That system is a one-time, encrypted authorization for that one transaction.

Unfortunately, there are so many card readers incorporated into gas pumps that those old-style readers were allowed to remain in use. It would be prohibitively expensive to replace tens of thousands of gas pump card readers across the U.S.A. So that old style will be around for a while.

If you have a choice, pick a gas pump that uses the newer chip reader method and not the older card swipe method.

2.

Look at the card reader. Does it look like it was originally part of the card reader system, or does it look like it was added on? A lot of the skimmers are simply external readers installed on top of the legitimate card reader. Is the pump panel securely locked? Some companies will even put tape on the doors so that you can see if it’s been tampered with.

3.

Don’t go to that one pump located waaaaaay out from the store. Those are the ones the criminals like to target. Pick a pump that is in full view of the clerk or surveillance cameras. If a criminal is going to put a second card reader on a pump, he doesn’t want to be seen doing that. Plus, he needs to later retrieve the stolen data by recovering the device or getting close to it and remotely accessing the data. So, they like those lonely pumps far away from other eyes.


And this is one of the many places where a credit card beats a debit card for security. Even if someone captures your credit card information, you will not be liable for the fraudulent changes. I would rather have one credit card compromised than a checking account drained.

AND the liability for the fruad was to be shifted to the retailers that failed to install the new chip reader equipment by April of 2021 but there are a LOT of the old style readers still in use.
 
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fiver

Well-Known Member
here's the thing about gas.
it goes in a pipeline.
the trucks take it out, they dump in whatever special additive the company they are taking the gas to uses.
in those pipelines is... everything diesel, regular, premium.
it just pushes the stuff ahead of it down the line, the 'blend' is pulled out and recycled between the diesel and the gas portions.
 

Ian

Notorious member
here's the thing about gas.
it goes in a pipeline.
the trucks take it out, they dump in whatever special additive the company they are taking the gas to uses.
in those pipelines is... everything diesel, regular, premium.
it just pushes the stuff ahead of it down the line, the 'blend' is pulled out and recycled between the diesel and the gas portions.

And further, the one from Corpus Christi to San Antonio, TX is also used for bulk insecticides, herbicides, jet fuel and some other industrial chemicals. Salt water is used to flush it in-between the aqueous and non-aqueous loads. All the motor fuel (I wouldn't call gulf coast fuel "gasoline" as it is largely reformulated chemical plant waste titrated up to the barest minimum EPA standards) comes from the same tap....flavor of the day industrial waste mix plus the dose of brand additives put directly into the tanker by the driver after getting filled up. Somebody figured out it's a lot cheaper to let the general populace burn off their industrial waste in their personal vehicles than it is to deal with it themselves on-site.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Our gas comes up by barge from the end of the pipeline in Vancouver WA to Pasco WA on the Columbia River. Then tanker trucks haul it to the gas stations and farms. It all comes out of the same million gallon tanks no mater that the brand says. Been on enough leak's and spills to know the difference.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
On credit cards- not to get political, but some law makers are pushing for CC co's to report any gun related purchases. Think about it. Cash may be a better choice...except there are also pushes to end cash.
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
On credit cards- not to get political, but some law makers are pushing for CC co's to report any gun related purchases. Think about it. Cash may be a better choice...except there are also pushes to end cash.

:sigh:

Not to get political? Where do you suppose this post will go?
 

Tom

Well-Known Member
I'm just an old luddite. I've used mostly cash fo point of sale purchases. I finally signed up for a fuel card that usually gets me a better price than the cheapest mom and pop fuel stations. With $1,000 plus purchases I imagine I look like a good target with a wad of c notes. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to use cash online.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
:sigh:

Not to get political? Where do you suppose this post will go?
Well, it doesn't look like it going anywhere Rick. People can read a post and not go rabid ya know. And the subject was cc, banking, etc and the pros and cons. If your usage is being tracked, or people are pushing to use your spending info against you if you use plastic, that's kind of a big deal. And then there's the whole "ending cash" idea, also a big deal. You will drive yourself nuts trying to micro-manage every word said guy.
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
On credit cards- not to get political, but some law makers are pushing for CC co's to report any gun related purchases. Think about it. Cash may be a better choice...except there are also pushes to end cash.

It's politics not micro-managing, don't go there.
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
:sigh: This thread was started strictly as humor. Sure isn't very funny lately.