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Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Easy research will show Big Medicine's low salt intake advise is not one to put all your faith in, and can be contradictory to good health even for those who suffer from hypertension and/or heart disease. Political correctness and authoritarianism have pretty much eliminated genetics and ethnicity from the overall picture.

I'm not a medical professional, so you may take the above with a grain of salt (pun intended), however, as with any medical concern, do your own diligent research and proceed from there.
Yupper! It doesn't seem to matter what the subject is, someone is out there telling you whatever you are doing is wrong, often times because they really believe it, but they're making money doing it too. You look at the stuff that was supposed to be deadly 10, 20, 50 years ago and most of it turns out to be hogwash. But someone made a mint off the fears that got peddled. Margarine? Non-sugar sweeteners? It all comes down to the old "All things in moderation" idea. Chances are what your grandmother, maybe great grandmother these days, fed you is probably pretty good for you overall. Yes, it would be better to get the while grain flour or the raw, unprocessed veggies, or the fresh off the farm meats, but people on the whole don't even know how to cook if it doesn't come out of a box anymore. Convenience is probably a bigger killer for us than salt, sugar, fat and Red Dye #7!
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Dr. Adkins died. At 72 Weighing 258 lbs. Suffered from cardiomyopathy, brought on from a virus during his adult life.
What killed him was an Icy sidewalk, and a hit on the head going down, Then the resulting blood clot on the brain.

Soy take from this is, eat how you like but wear a helmet when you go outside in the winter.
A guy by the name of Jim Fixx wrote a book in the 1960's about running/jogging for your health. It made a whole generation of people who thought that exercise would be a cure for anything. However, Mr. Fixx died at age 52 from a heart attack after running 10 miles training for a marathon. So you can be skinny, fit and look healthy but when the blood clot hits the cardiac arteries, bad things happen..
 

Snakeoil

Well-Known Member
I think the secret is everything in moderation. One of the problems with books is unless you write something different, there is no reason for anyone to buy your book. Paul Matthews admitted that to an old friend at a Wilton BPCR shoot one day. He noticed that Paul had contradicted many of the things he had said in the past. When he questioned/busted Paul's chops about this, his reply was something to the effect of "If you want to sell more books, you need to say something different.".

Remember when eggs were bad for you? Then red meat became the poison of the day. Now it is GMO's which I tend to believe are not good. But you don't see a lot of carping about all the chemicals in the processed food these days. My cousin is one of 3 brothers. As a kid, he lived in McDonalds. His folks would put McD's coupons in his Christmas stocking. He pretty much lived on McD from the time he was old enough to walk to the one near his house. He ended up with testicular cancer in his 20's. Now, in his 50's he's been battling various types of cancer. His thyroid has been removed and the poor guy goes to NYC for tests every 6 months. They cannot treat him, and although it does not seem to be moving fast, it will eventually kill him. Neither of his two brothers have had any type of cancer. Nor did they live at McDs as kids. I'm convinced that all those years of eating that rubbish caused his cancers.

I still remember the day that I found out that Twinkies had zero food content and they have an infinite shelf life. I'm proud to say I've never eaten a Twinkie.

For me, cutting out salt was part of a getting back in shape thing and it just stuck. It's like black coffee. I stopped using cream to cut out fat intake and once one develops a taste for black coffee, it's hard to drink it any other way. And I worked in countries where the coffee is like tar and they put more sugar in the coffee than coffee. I remember ordering coffee without sugar in a shop in Venezuela that was packed with people going to work every day. I'd order a large, which was a normal sized cup. The locals all drank those tiny shot glass sized cups. Then I'd say no sugar and the place would go silent like when the bad guy comes thru the saloon doors. They would all look at me like I was crazy. It was kinda fun. They didn't even call it a large. They called it cafe Norte Americano. That's the polite phrase for Gringo.
 

Tomme boy

Well-Known Member
I am not limiting my salt intake. I just don't use it a whole lot. Never have. I use stuff that has it but I just don't add any extra.

Ahhhhh BLT's! Looks like that is what I am going to have tomorrow now! Dang it, now I have to go to the store
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
My personal opinion is that what is killing us, giving our kids Autism, making our little girls start menstruating at 8 and 9 years old and just causing a lot of people to have problems our grandparents never heard of is the preservatives, modifiers, colorings, binders and plain old "stuff" that gets put in our food. It's not the salt, it's the salt combined with the other stuff, or it's the over processed imitation "food" that has no food value other than filling your belly. I love Kraft mac and cheese, but that powder that gives it the cheesy taste ain't cheese. I don't even want to know whats in a burrito supreme from Taco Bell! We had an open bag of tortillas in the bread drawer. They got buried and when I found them they'd been there at least a couple months. I left them there for over a year just to see what would happen to them. Nothing happened. They didn't mould, they didn't get dried out, they didn't deteriorate at all. Like a Twinkie- no shelf life! Farm fresh meat will degrade even if vacuum sealed and frozen over time. But processed meat on a cheap frozen pizza doesn't. And we wonder why cancer is a multi-billion dollar industry?
 

Bisley

Active Member
The wife and I travel out of the country for church missions work; right now we are in Zambia for a total of three to four years. Non-pasteurized dairy, natural smoked bacon (called "streaky bacon," as we know it in the States), produce from sidewalk merchants, bread from bakeries not the grocery store. Milk goes bad in less than a week in the fridge. Meat stays frozen until the day before. No preservatives.
So I start getting these headaches. Dehydration, I am told. More water. Still headaches. Then I find a bacon source, and start adding salt to boil potatoes and other vegetables. Headaches go away. Zambian citizens tell me its the US no-salt fad. You need water and salt to stay hydrated.
Pass the bacon, please...
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
If you eat prepared foods, or packaged sauces, in the US you have enough salt (really the sodium of sodium chloride) and you don't need more. But like Bisley found, if you are eating fresh food, you need to add salt.

My shooting buddy, Joe, has had major heart issues for over 20 years and has a pacemaker/defib unit. Doctor gave him Rx for a medicine to reduce sodium level. So with that, stopped using salt, increased his water intake and peed off all most all of this sodium. No electrical connection from pacemaker to heart muscle. Luckily the ambulance got him to the hospital in time for four weeks of ICU and six weeks of rehab before he came home.

The lesson; don't double down on doctor's Rx and stuff you read on the internet.
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
If you eat prepared foods, or packaged sauces, in the US you have enough salt (really the sodium of sodium chloride) and you don't need more. But like Bisley found, if you are eating fresh food, you need to add salt.

My shooting buddy, Joe, has had major heart issues for over 20 years and has a pacemaker/defib unit. Doctor gave him Rx for a medicine to reduce sodium level. So with that, stopped using salt, increased his water intake and peed off all most all of this sodium. No electrical connection from pacemaker to heart muscle. Luckily the ambulance got him to the hospital in time for four weeks of ICU and six weeks of rehab before he came home.

The lesson; don't double down on doctor's Rx and stuff you read on the internet.

Perhaps. Depends on how much salt you are losing; sweat is very salty and if you're in any activity where you're sweating excessively you may well need to replace salt.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I voluntarily dropped the salt shaker for 3 yr. No extra salt just a little to boiled foods like noodles to get the water over 200° , the back porch was at 4100' . About 18 months in I started craving shellfish, shrimp , prawns , lobster , and although crab isn't my thing that too . It was weird by 2 yr even with a little fix here and there I was drooling in the deli section. Took me 2 more months to figure it out . Iodine .......no table salt no iodine w/o eating specific sources .......

I've watched the salt intake since then but after 3 years of nil salt and zero caffeine except chocolate my BP was down 3 points so salt and caffeine weren't what was driving it .
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
I voluntarily dropped the salt shaker for 3 yr. No extra salt just a little to boiled foods like noodles to get the water over 200° , the back porch was at 4100' . About 18 months in I started craving shellfish, shrimp , prawns , lobster , and although crab isn't my thing that too . It was weird by 2 yr even with a little fix here and there I was drooling in the deli section. Took me 2 more months to figure it out . Iodine .......no table salt no iodine w/o eating specific sources .......

I've watched the salt intake since then but after 3 years of nil salt and zero caffeine except chocolate my BP was down 3 points so salt and caffeine weren't what was driving it .

shocked-1.jpg No coffee? This is getting carried to far, that could be life threatening.

Just after 1900 a Doctor named Graves figured out the relationship between iodine and the thyroid gland. The resulting complications from low iodine levels is now called Graves disease. Iodine has been added to salt ever since. I had Graves disease, trust me you don't want it.
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
Never used much salt in our household. Most prepared foods have more than enough............though we eat mostly fresh. We have a multi colored wood Lazy Susan, on the kitchen table, that we purchased as a souvenir in Estes Park in the 80's. Came with a matching salt & pepper shaker, both of which were filled. There was a thin film of plastic over the dispensing holes. Never removedb the one on the salt shaker. MIL was visiting from Arizona and grabbed it, after probably twenty years, and couldn't figure out why the salt didn't dispense. She would salt food before tasting it. :rolleyes:
 

smokeywolf

Well-Known Member
When I was a kid, about the only foods I added salt to was the raw beef that I would steal out of the pan when my mother would grind beef and the bread that my father would butter and smear bone marrow on when my mother would do an O-bone roast for dinner.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I have not added salt to any food at the table in decades. Most food in this country is already well salted by the time it hits the table.

As for dehydration, yes salt is important. But potassium is as important, or more so, that sodium. We need electrolytes, one of which is sodium.
 

Snakeoil

Well-Known Member
Okay, CW, if you warrant a thread dedicated to your recovery, at the very least you could post a video of the surgery as I'd originally requested. I'm willing to bet that they video recorded your resurrection, and you need to tell the Doc that you are famous for posting videos about pretty much anything that you do or buy. I have it on good authority, that lurking in the archives here at TA&SBC is a CW video titled, "Boxers or Briefs, tell me what you think". So, a vid of your ticker floppin' around on the operating table is way overdue.

Just sayin'....