so waht ya doin today?

[Ian]

Other than the world-famous throatless Savage, H&R, Winchester, and some Marlin 30-30s when brand new, the 311041 doesn't fit any throat shape, ergo it doesn't do anything more than moderate velocity with much accuracy. I did the Lee 130 and 7mm-08 at stoopid velocty and it held groups really well, I never really figured out why.

 

[Intheshop]

The 7-08/130/SPS is just plain scary accurate. Heck,even the 4-12X40 China scope is a head scratcher. I love good optics,but once in awhile a cheap scope will come along where..... everything is in perfect alignment. Need group 3 clicks left,an 2 more elevation.... boom,done. No settlement, no maybes.

I'm sure as heck not gonna try to "sell" anything,bullet fit speaking to y'all. But the 041 has been very easy to get to shoot for me. Just have to keep the meplat sharp,and be aware of nose bump. It's a might bit heavy though.....

I looked at the Lee offerings on moulds. Looked at the 7mm I use,then looked at the 30's. There's one 30 that looks pretty much exactly like the 7 but,..... didn't get that one,and having a touch of remorse.... got the flat point version of it. The issue was/is,I'm not gonna have time to make a nose bumping set up.... which is what the 7-08 has going for it.Which interestingly "makes" a flat point in the process.

So,with fingers crossed... just ordered the flat point. The 150g is really what I'm excited about.... well,the whole Lee story,hero or zero too.Like those guys at the carnival trying to get you into their tent show..... "step on up,only 25$".... "see the mould that's gonna be a bug holer"?

 

[fiver]

 

[Intheshop]

Haha... good one.

Sitting on the porch watching video,the two deer that "were" standing in the yard must not appreciate the idea here? They had business elsewhere.

 

[Will]

Shot the 1894 44 mag today. Sometimes I wonder why I even keep trying. Looks like I need to come up with a different idea before taking it back to the range. These groups were shot at 100yds. 1 1/2” dot.

First groups was 10 consecutive shot and the second 13 shots in a row.

https://imgur.com/7GpPwk9

https://imgur.com/nIGoq1G

 

[Ian]

You can see the holes got a lot more round when you bumped the powder, so that should tell you something about velocity vs. stability. Were you using irons? I don't know what you expect your "system" to be capable of, maybe it could be a lot better and maybe it's really not all that shabby because I still see like 23 dead deer there.

 

[Will]

Problem is that’s all that will fit. I was only able to get 23gr under the 265gr ranch dog. I think I need to find a bullet with a long nose. The 240gr bullets Brad sent me have a lot of nose sticking out of the case.
There’s a lot of freebore in this rifle. All of those groups were fired with unsized brass. Still had sooty cases all the way back to the rim.

 

[Ian]

Unsized brass and slow-for-cartridge powder with some bullet jump thrown in to boot is a recipe for erratic ignition. You could try adding some neck tension and some roll crimp to help that part out, see if it brings the group together or not. I'm sure you have a bunch of mummies in the bore and that never really helped accuracy...but doesn't always hurt, either. If it's filthy and shoots well, I don't see a problem. My go-to in the .44 is True Blue, with Longshot being a close second.

 

[Will]

I may try longshot. This rifle has sooty cases with any powder you use. The chamber is HUGE.

I may try to seat some bullets out longer to see if I can get the bullet in the same zip code as the rifling.

 

[RBHarter]

Just a couple bugs with a 45 Colts .......damn the 1-32" twist .......
I had to beat the twist to get a group at 100 yd which was sad since it would shoot 2-3" regular out to 75 yd just past which my warm/start Ruger loads would hit the transonic edge and depart line of flight at about a 30° x 10:00 . So I had to drive harder , fly more efficiently , not go super , or shoot past 75 yd .
The big flat nose bullets pushed hard didn't group well when they got fast enough to get to 100 above 1150 fps so that was out .
Held under 1000 fps it shot great unfortunately it was unable to meet my needs but it looked good on paper .
To get a higher BC I would have to give up everything that makes cast bullets amazing on pigs or go heavier .......precluded by the twist .
That leaves shooting inside the limits .

I did try a 350 that should have worked out to 1-34" and it would stablize . I had intended to keep it sub but the first load down range was 1240 fps with H322 at a start load derived from Quick Load minus 10% with a 20,000 psi limit . At that moment it occurred to me that I was mucking around in 45-70 350gr start loads or very close to it .......
I still believe that your loads are right at the ragged edge of sub/super and your paper is catching them as they are departing line of flight .

 

[Ian]

Neck size the brass, it will still chamber in that one rifle for a few firings without sizing the majority of the body. Indexing cases all the same way will help accuracy if the chamber is crooked or off-center.

I went with .45 Colt to get around the transonic issue. Load heavy, soft bullets at 1000 fps and lob them like rocks.

 

[Intheshop]

Was digging around and found a box of 20 loaded up '06's. The reason I didn't write the dope down,besides shotty record keeping.... which has been fixed.....

Lyman book starting load of 28.5g of H4895 and the 311041 is a tackdriver in this CDL. First few shots at 100 and it came back to me how dang fun,besides easy.... that load is. So documented it very well.The 3-9X40 Luepold VXII has wonderful,very clear to my eyes lenses. This load is being held back somewhat by the 9X though. If I really buckle down it's <1" for prolly 7 rounds,rapid fire.The barrel holds together well,just not that patient to wait between shots.

The new record system is a std pce of typing paper,folded in half to make a pamphlet. Each rig has it's own. Write the load,make as many comments as you want.... add sheets anytime. I had one for the CDL but this.method was adopted after the initial load development. Had other loads recorded.

Shot some 5744 loads,not gonna completely give up on this powder but it hasn't shown me much in several tries in several rigs?

Loaded up some IMR4198/041's and will play with those tomorrow. Might even break out the chrono. The 4895 load is too much fun,haha.

 

[Will]

I see a Henry all weather big boy in 45 colt coming hope with me soon. I love shooting bolt actions but there’s just something that feels right about packing a lever gun with me to the tree stand.

 

[fiver]

another thing you can try is a steel die and backing it out until you have the neck tension you want.
steel dies are tapered, carbide are just a ring.
there is also adding in a bit of a faster powder to help out the too slow powder, you'll gain clean and speed.

got a little more done on the ammo/brass/bullet project rooms today.
I have the walk in about cleaned and prepped for paint, I have it around 1/3 primed on the new dry-wall.
I will continue poking at it tomorrow.

 

[RicinYakima]

Gun exhibit is over at the museum, so we had to move everything back to storage. We took the Gatling Gun for a short run in the Park before putting it away for another 50 years. I'm really sorry we didnt' get to shoot it very much.

 

[Bret4207]

I found a rifle I almost sort of want. It's a Henry lever in 327. The almost part comes from the fact that Henry puts about 2 lbs too much metal and wood into these things. Really, a 7.5-8 lbs 32 pistol caliber lever gun?

 

[Brad]

Bret, most of that extra metal is in the spot where they don’t cut for a loading gate.

 

[Winelover]

Shot the 1894 44 mag today. Sometimes I wonder why I even keep trying. Looks like I need to come up with a different idea before taking it back to the range. These groups were shot at 100yds. 1 1/2” dot.

First groups was 10 consecutive shot and the second 13 shots in a row.

Here is a link to the thread I started on my 1894 44 Magnum:

https://www.artfulbullet.com/index.php?threads/what-a-difference-a-die-makes.3826/

Might give you some other options to explore. I normally use NOE's version of the 265 RD bullet, for deer hunting. Never tried RL-7, always got good results with 2400, somewhere in the neighborhood of 16-18 grains.

This season, I will be using the RCBS 300 SWC that was hollow pointed by Eric. Rick graciously lent me his mould. Bullets are dropping at .4325 diameter, with three parts lead and one part lino. Getting under 3 MOA (100 yards) with 18.0 grains of 2400, using WLP primer in twice fired RP neck sized brass. Velocity @ 1568 fps.

 

[Rick]

This season, I will be using the RCBS 300 SWC that was hollow pointed by Eric.

Loaded with the Cowboy dies right? Right? And use the Cowboy crimp die too. Crimp just enough to roll the case mouth under the front driving band. Use brass fired and sized the same number of times from the same lot#.

 

[Kevin Stenberg]

I intend on sitting inside till the snow on the ground melts. Or if i get impatiant. Head to the Pole Barn and finish my brass tumbler.